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Because the new camera is high-def, and the SDX isn't.  That's the main differrentiating feature.  Plus, if the new camera is $6,000 as was originally reported, and maybe $10,000 fully "kitted out", that's still a LONG way from the SDX, which is $27,000 just for the body alone, and more like $40,000 fully kitted-out with lens, VF, power, etc.

if they announce or even hint at a sucessor it'll kill sales of the 100
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Yes, if it was a successor, then they could "kaypro" themselves.  However, at the price point being mentioned, it's not really a threat to the DVX.  I mean, it's like a BMW 3-series vs. a BMW 5-series.  There's a gulf of price between them, and a gulf of features between them, and BMW sells plenty of 3-series cars, and plenty of 5-series.  There's a market for each.  Just like Panasonic can sell all the GS400's and DVC30's they make.  A DVX is not an HDX-whatever; and a DVC30 is not a DVX.  But Panasonic sells a lot of DVC30's, they'll continue to sell a lot of DVX's, and they'll sell a lot of HDX's (just my prediction, but I think it's accurate).
 
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Am I the only one that thinks Panasonic.. or any camera computer for that matter should come out with a system that uses detacble HD's for recording..

the 60gb iPod Photo is small.. light.. and has a Firewire 400 interface.. that is a 50MB/sec transfer rate.... (unsure of actual read/write time of the HD)

think about it though, with DVCPROHD being 100Mbps... (12.5MB/sec) a hard drive based system could easily keep up with the data being streamed onto it.

and the iPod Photo is what.. like $599? strip away apples markups..  and just go with the Hard Drive price... that is one pretty damn price efficient storage/shooting option..

wishful thinking at best.. just get pany and apple together.. bam! we'd have:

"The new iHDVX100, now you can listen to music as you shoot! Just plug in your iPod."

lol ;)
 
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If Steve Mullen's report is accurate, Panasonic is supposedly going to be introducing a P2->hard disk device, something that has a hard disk on it and then you can plug a P2 card right into it and offload the contents of your P2 card. This could give you theoretically perpetual record times, from as few as maybe 3 P2 cards... as soon as one fills up, you pull it out and plug it into the hard disk to start it offloading, and continue recording on the second card in the camera. You'd use a third card in case the drive wasn't done downloading all the data in time...

... anyway, apparently they're already working on it, and this solution has the added benefit of not needing to be tied to the camera at all.
 
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Perhaps Firestore will have a product for writing DVCPRO straight to their drives. It would be nice to have some economical options.
 
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Yes, if your are shooting perpetually over a tripod it´s ok. Imagine in a wedding. I´, sure this piece of technology is aimed to filmakers, but there will be a moment when possible customers will ask for their weddings in HD, and... Ok, by them sure we will have 128 GB P2 cards. IT´s the price of P2 that kills me.

Sure if Firestore do set an HD set to record DVCPRO people will go for it instead of P2 (price difference is a point), or if some modder takes the photo Ipod and fix it to save through the firewire he will be followed by a crowd, unless Pana do something to take down prices.

Maybe if they give a 2 gb card with the camera it will take prices down as it create some demand of his biggers and a good base list of consumers.

But people will fly to Firestore or ipod when they will be able.
 
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Speaking of the SDX900... I wonder how the images of the two would compare, especially for indie filmmaking in 24p:
DVCPRO-50 with 2/3" CCDs and broadcast lenses
v.s.
DVCPRO-HD with 1/3" (?) CCDs and a fixed, prosumer Leica lens

Whaddaya think? Would the big non-HD SDX900 still beat out the "HDX" in terms of image quality, detail, latitude and dynamic range? I'm sure it would have the advantage in shallow depth-of-field because of the 2/3" CCDs, but HD is cool, too... Especially for a film-out to 35mm.

Of course, this is all speculation until real-world testing can occur, but I still think the $27,000 camera will beat out the "under $10,000" one.
 
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[quote author=Jaime Valles link=board=HDV;num=1108237589;start=60#65 date=02/14/05 at 11:06:25]Speaking of the SDX900...  I wonder how the images of the two would compare, especially
Of course, this is all speculation until real-world testing can occur, but I still think the $27,000 camera will beat out the "under $10,000" one.[/quote]

The $27,000 cam better beat out the $10,000 version. I know I would be really pissed if I spent more than twice the amount and they were the same. :'(
David
 
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[quote author=Jaime Valles link=board=HDV;num=1108237589;start=60#65 date=02/14/05 at 11:06:25]Speaking of the SDX900...  I wonder how the images of the two would compare, especially for indie filmmaking in 24p:
DVCPRO-50 with 2/3" CCDs and broadcast lenses
v.s.
DVCPRO-HD with 1/3" (?) CCDs and a fixed, prosumer Leica lens

Whaddaya think?  Would the big non-HD SDX900 still beat out the "HDX" in terms of image quality, detail, latitude and dynamic range?[/quote]
I'd bet on it, but until we test it, we won't know. I think the difference would be like DigiBeta vs. DV. It also depends on your destination display device -- I think the SDX would spank the new camera silly when making DVD output, but of course that's speculation based on mathematics, and not based on any observation.

For a film transfer? Um, that's a different question. Twice the pixels can make up for some of the difference... would make for an interesting test!
 
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Loki.. the Ipod was at one point attempted to be converted to a portable capture device.. but the interface and subsystem couldn't even handle a single SD DV stream.. Now given that was way back a few years ago, the new generation of ipods could use faster drives.
 
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yeah ..if the panasonic HDD sollution lets you just put it straight on the camera and it uses a P2 card for a buffer and then records immditaly to disk without having to pull cards out and swap and all that it would be great. the direct recoding to P2 means solid reliable reocrding, and then it immedialty dumps it to the HDD using a solid buffer to make sure everything gets to disk fast and reliably. i dont care if the cam weighs an extra 2 lbs with a HDD on it. that would rock.
 
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[quote author=enterdcable link=board=HDV;num=1108237589;start=30#34 date=02/11/05 at 09:37:20]Have y'all used the arris digital cam?  The size of the CCD chip is the exact same size as a 35mm negative.   :D :D :D[/quote]

Yeah I know. Panny needs to put the same big fat chip in the HDX100. They also need to make it variable framerate up to 4000fps. I also want interchangeable lens, 16x9, like, uh, 16 CCDS, 20 hr battery life, 20 hrs of HD recording...no make that 100...actually forget 720P what we need is 4K Uncompressed. I also want it to be gold plated, you know, for durability. I want this all for $3400 or less, less would be better, panny are you listening? This would be pure genius.
 
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LOL!

I'd replace gold by titanium, as a matter of fact, the whole body should be titanuim, filled with helium to make the camcorder float in the air like the Goodyear blimp.
 
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This may be asking too much, (Its been ignored even though clearly there's a market for it and we've asked for it before) but how about an unsuck filter or button? ;)
 
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[quote author=Isaac Brody link=board=HDV;num=1108237589;start=60#73 date=02/16/05 at 12:26:36]This may be asking too much, (Its been ignored even though clearly there's a market for it and we've asked for it before) but how about an unsuck filter or button?  ;)[/quote]
Unsuck filter! That's a good one! You crack me up Isaac. :D
 
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