Panasonic @ NAB....
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Barry_Green
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There will be no DVX100 replacement, Panasonic has already announced that the DVX is a current product and will continue to be a current product.
If anything's announced it'll likely be the much-rumored HD camera, which will be more in the $5,000-$6,000 price range.
There will be no DVX100 replacement, Panasonic has already announced that the DVX is a current product and will continue to be a current product.
If anything's announced it'll likely be the much-rumored HD camera, which will be more in the $5,000-$6,000 price range.
scharky
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Re: Panasonic @ NAB....
[quote author=NewBee link=board=nws;num=1107969938;start=0#4 date=02/09/05 at 11:05:27]
$5,000-$6,000 is steep for a 1/3" CCD camera. Especially if we will need to pay an additional $2,000 or more for P2 cards ... [/quote]
Someone should tell sony that then.
I don't think 5G's is a lot to pay for a 1/3 CCD camera, rember the XL2 is much short of that either. Just becuase the camera isn't meant to go against the current DVX, that price point puts it in league with the XL2 and Z1. The street price will probably be in direct correlation with the other two aformentioned cameras. And 5'gs for a DVCproHD camera, wow, you gotta love that.
[quote author=NewBee link=board=nws;num=1107969938;start=0#4 date=02/09/05 at 11:05:27]
$5,000-$6,000 is steep for a 1/3" CCD camera. Especially if we will need to pay an additional $2,000 or more for P2 cards ... [/quote]
Someone should tell sony that then.
I don't think 5G's is a lot to pay for a 1/3 CCD camera, rember the XL2 is much short of that either. Just becuase the camera isn't meant to go against the current DVX, that price point puts it in league with the XL2 and Z1. The street price will probably be in direct correlation with the other two aformentioned cameras. And 5'gs for a DVCproHD camera, wow, you gotta love that.
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I agree with on some things scharky ...
4:2:2 Codec ... ;D I like this ...
Unfortunately, it is a 1/3" CCD, and unfortunately, it will exhibit some of the same issues that Jarred and Barry raised in their "side-by-side" analysis ... I am a bit unhappy with this aspect ...
*If* it is in fact P2 *and* the cards are *pricey* this further complicates matters because *NOW* your camera is $7000 ++ *before* purchasing accessories ...
For now however, I will sit and watch and wait ...
I agree with on some things scharky ...
4:2:2 Codec ... ;D I like this ...
Unfortunately, it is a 1/3" CCD, and unfortunately, it will exhibit some of the same issues that Jarred and Barry raised in their "side-by-side" analysis ... I am a bit unhappy with this aspect ...
*If* it is in fact P2 *and* the cards are *pricey* this further complicates matters because *NOW* your camera is $7000 ++ *before* purchasing accessories ...
For now however, I will sit and watch and wait ...
Zim
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Re: Panasonic @ NAB....
[quote author=NewBee link=board=nws;num=1107969938;start=0#4 date=02/09/05 at 11:05:27]Initially at least, I agree with you Zim. This could be a disappointment ...
It will be for me. I really don't want HD right now. Just Native 16:9. I don't want to do all the stuff in post to get there either. I like the XL2 but it seems to have problems. A lot of people post things that are going wrong with it. The 16:9 and 24p is what I want. Not sure why Panasonic would not improve on the DVX100a. I think they could sell a lot of them.
Sony should have put 24p on the Z1.
I'm just not going to spend the money on something that does not give me what I want.
[quote author=NewBee link=board=nws;num=1107969938;start=0#4 date=02/09/05 at 11:05:27]Initially at least, I agree with you Zim. This could be a disappointment ...
It will be for me. I really don't want HD right now. Just Native 16:9. I don't want to do all the stuff in post to get there either. I like the XL2 but it seems to have problems. A lot of people post things that are going wrong with it. The 16:9 and 24p is what I want. Not sure why Panasonic would not improve on the DVX100a. I think they could sell a lot of them.
Sony should have put 24p on the Z1.
I'm just not going to spend the money on something that does not give me what I want.
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;D
typos aside ... though, I have some similar concerns ... I don't want to be too quick to judge though ... I mean everything right now is pure specilation and will be for several months to come ...
I am hoping to see a similar product with a 1/2" CCD ... this may take awhile ... in the meantime, I am a proud owner of a beautiful DVX100A so I will continue to play and learn ... and play some more ... 8)
;D
typos aside ... though, I have some similar concerns ... I don't want to be too quick to judge though ... I mean everything right now is pure specilation and will be for several months to come ...
I am hoping to see a similar product with a 1/2" CCD ... this may take awhile ... in the meantime, I am a proud owner of a beautiful DVX100A so I will continue to play and learn ... and play some more ... 8)
Zig_Zigman
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I think Panasonic wants to put 24p through it's entire line, so their 1/2 chip cams would get it too, eventually. A nice 1/2 16dx9 24p cam for say...11k or so...
I think jvc is going to beat them to the punch.
I think Panasonic wants to put 24p through it's entire line, so their 1/2 chip cams would get it too, eventually. A nice 1/2 16dx9 24p cam for say...11k or so...
I think jvc is going to beat them to the punch.
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Zoomforce
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Hey... the Panasonic camera may not use HDV for compression.. who knows
Hey... the Panasonic camera may not use HDV for compression.. who knows
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Zoomforce
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Hey... the Panasonic camera may not use HDV for compression.. who knows.. but I will be there at NAB to find out
Hey... the Panasonic camera may not use HDV for compression.. who knows.. but I will be there at NAB to find out
Flintstone
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Hey! DVCProHD 4:2:2, 100mpbs, 720p (variable frame rate maybe?) at $5K to $6K is fine by me. ;D I'd even go at $7K to $8K if its CCDs are 1/2" on a DVX style form factor. But I doubt that this will happen. :-/ Besides, 1/2" is mighty nice compared to 1/3", but is a serious contender to 2/3", and that might harm Varicam sales.
Purely Speculation:
Of course, if Panasonics goal is to wipe out the competition, a $10k to $12K shoulder mount model 720p DVCProHD P2 (24p, 25p, 30p, 60p, NTSC, PAL switchable) with 1/2" using standard 1/2" broadcast lens would be killer.
But on the low end cameras (DVX style), Pany would be wise not to adopt HDV, and rather push for it's very own DVCProHD. It is already natively supported on Macs, and will be soon on PCs. HDVs 25mbps is just not enough.
I want 4:2:2 100mps 720p DVCProHD... Period. I think it's the best compromise between quality and compression.
Hey! DVCProHD 4:2:2, 100mpbs, 720p (variable frame rate maybe?) at $5K to $6K is fine by me. ;D I'd even go at $7K to $8K if its CCDs are 1/2" on a DVX style form factor. But I doubt that this will happen. :-/ Besides, 1/2" is mighty nice compared to 1/3", but is a serious contender to 2/3", and that might harm Varicam sales.
Purely Speculation:
Of course, if Panasonics goal is to wipe out the competition, a $10k to $12K shoulder mount model 720p DVCProHD P2 (24p, 25p, 30p, 60p, NTSC, PAL switchable) with 1/2" using standard 1/2" broadcast lens would be killer.
But on the low end cameras (DVX style), Pany would be wise not to adopt HDV, and rather push for it's very own DVCProHD. It is already natively supported on Macs, and will be soon on PCs. HDVs 25mbps is just not enough.
I want 4:2:2 100mps 720p DVCProHD... Period. I think it's the best compromise between quality and compression.
Barry_Green
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Re: Panasonic @ NAB....
[quote author=Jarred Land link=board=nws;num=1107969938;start=0#12 date=02/09/05 at 12:34:18]Hey... the Panasonic camera may not use HDV for compression.. who knows.. but I will be there at NAB to find out[/quote]
They've already announced that it won't be HDV, it'll be DVCPRO-HD!
[quote author=Jarred Land link=board=nws;num=1107969938;start=0#12 date=02/09/05 at 12:34:18]Hey... the Panasonic camera may not use HDV for compression.. who knows.. but I will be there at NAB to find out
[/quote]They've already announced that it won't be HDV, it'll be DVCPRO-HD!
Barry_Green
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Re: Panasonic @ NAB....
Complete speculation as to "when". The only thing they've announced is that they will respond, with full-fledged DVCPRO-HD, and with P2 memory recording, at a "competitive with the Z1" price point. They haven't indicated when the actual announcement about the product, specific features, or release timetable will be.
Complete speculation as to "when". The only thing they've announced is that they will respond, with full-fledged DVCPRO-HD, and with P2 memory recording, at a "competitive with the Z1" price point. They haven't indicated when the actual announcement about the product, specific features, or release timetable will be.