Panasonic @ NAB....

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I was thinking for a while about something i hear here. Between the varicam and the DVX and this next generation we are speaking about. I read that DVX were sell all over the world in a considerable number. But how many varicams were sell? I will like to know. Maybe not enough to compare with DVX numbers and earnings. Just a guess. And now varicam is getting a lot of competitors meaning kinetta and so.

Maybe is a good point to win the prosumer market range with a camera that will run away the competition and save the big varicam for the next evolution. If they offer HD 24p with P2 disks in 1/3 CCDs and a reasonable price sure they will get everything, even if other companies (like Canon) counterattack with their own versions Panasonic has lot of weight and quality value.

We loose nearly 2 stops of light, but we win HD resolution, true 24p, native 16:9 and get rid of minidv tapes. Two stops is a little price to pay in my opinion. Run and gun will be more of a problem, but for Indie directors throwing light everywere, i don´t think so. And transfers to film will be even better...

Nearly tow months to NAB... looks like eternity!
 
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[quote author=Flintstone link=board=Links;num=1108097728;start=30#35 date=02/11/05 at 10:16:10]
Makes you wonder about event videography, where non-stop recording is a must.  The HD1200A deck at $28K is a tad steep for such tasks, as well as not very luggable if you run and gun.
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If Steve Mullen's report is accurate, there's apparently a solution already -- Panasonic is reportedly going to introduce some sort of portable 60gb hard disk/card reader device. Plug the card into the device, and it'll transfer the contents to hard disk... so with just a couple of cards, and plenty of hard disc space, you could theoretically record very long events continuously, and it should be quite portable for run 'n' gun. I've got a 60gb hard disc in a USB2 external enclosure, and it's maybe 3" x 5"...

Well, it's all speculation until the company announces it.

As far as "worth a flight from Montreal"... basically NAB is a convention of about 150,000 video professionals all converging in Vegas to show their wares. It can be interesting, but I'm betting that if you were coming to NAB to see the Panasonic product, you'll likely be very disappointed with your experience -- there will be *massive* crowds, long lines, and not much time to look at gear because there'll always be someone along to push you out of the way and take your spot. I mean, come on down if you like, but recently I've visited the trade shows just by going to the manufacturer's websites and reading their press releases... saves a *lot* of hassle, time, money, and basically tells you just about everything you'd learn by going to NAB to see a hot release like this anyway... :)
 
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Ronik.. Ive been going every year for the last 5 or so years... there was one year in there that really sucked.. but its cool to see all the new stuff. As Barry said, and he must be convention king since he lives in Vegas... dont go the first day. First day unless your 6 foot 7 like me and can see over everyone you spend the day looking at the back of someone else's bald head.

Plus.. its Vegas.. If you blow a grand on a ticket and hotel and the show is very lame to you.. I am sure you can find some other trouble to get into on the strip.
 
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[quote author=Flintstone link=board=Links;num=1108097728;start=30#35 date=02/11/05 at 10:16:10]
Makes you wonder about event videography, where non-stop recording is a must.  [/quote]

I think the cards, even though they have been introduced by panasonic as an event/news format, may do better in the Film world.. a world of long setups and minute recording times... at least untill a 10gb P2 card costs 100 bucks.
 
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If Panasonic maintains a patent on the cards (I don't know if they do), then here's a scenario:

By releasing an extremely popular prosumer camera with high sales, Panasonic can manufacture P2 cards at scale, bringing the price way down but maintaining a healthy profit margin. Now they can sell the HDX at a low profit margin/competitive price because they'll make a ton of money selling the P2 cards, and have the market cornered for several years.
 
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Saw your point adaml. Claiming to God to be true!

Cos P2s are quite expensive... Maybe they put the camera at 6000$ and give us our first P2, or two different packages, for people who want the P2 ando for those who don´t want it. Just like Canon and their lenses.
 
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The actual cards are a pansonic only product, but inside is SD cards so the cost of the cards should directly relate to the price and capacity of SD cards... but it will probally be a slight lag in time.. For example right now the current standard max SD card is 2gb.. which would give you 8gb p2 cards.. and 4gb SD cards are just starting to show.. which gives you 16gb... and by the end of the year we should see 8gb SD cards.. so there should be 32gb P2 cards shortly after, hopefully soon after the new camera is released.

Now for pricing however... The price of a 4gb P2 card last time I checked was just over $2000.... now 4x1Gb SD cards Retail currently costs about 300 bucks.. so of course that whole pricing structure will need to change... because SD media changes so fast.. unlike Minidv media.
 
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Like I said in another post though, these cards are special-duty, not regular cards. Regular cards run at maybe 5mb speed, whereas P2 cards need something like 80mb speed... so they may not follow regular card pricing. Hopefully the camera will be a huge hit, and people will be buying so many cards that the price will come down rapidly.
 
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yes the price of the P2 cards is going to be a critical factor for this cam.

Indie filmakers have an indie budget. And I like to shot as much material as possible to give me more options at the editing.

MiniDV greatest advantage is that no matter what the cam cost, it cheap to shot with it.
 
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P2 cards are expensive, but that's sort of ok because you don't need many. For continuous event videography 1 or 2 is enough (provided you have a laptop handy to offload the footage while the other one is still recording). For indie filmmaking, 1 is plenty. Most takes are 30 seconds long, anyway.

I think P2 cards are going to give the Firestore FS4 a serious run for their money.

Oh, and the XL2 and HD-FX are TOTALLY GONNA GET SPANKED!!! BOOYAHH!!!!!! :D ;D
 
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guys what the worry? They are going to keep the tape drive AND have a p2 drive...
 
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[quote author=Barry_Green link=board=HDV;num=1108237589;start=45#48 date=02/12/05 at 12:57:29]Like I said in another post though, these cards are special-duty, not regular cards.  Regular cards run at maybe 5mb speed, whereas P2 cards need something like 80mb speed... so they may not follow regular card pricing.  Hopefully the camera will be a huge hit, and people will be buying so many cards that the price will come down rapidly.[/quote]

The SD cards arn't that special.. but my point was was price justification with current market fluctuations.. when the P2 cards came out last year, a 1 gb SD card cost $400. 4 of them together would cost $1600 so the $2000 price tag for the P2 card was somewhat justified. I am sure, that when the p2 cards start going and demand is increased, prices will come down.
 
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Yeah, but the HD cards have much higher specs for data transfer. Panasonic has two series of P2 cards, one for SD (DVCPRO50/DVCPRO25) and a second "H" series for HD. The "H" series cards are a lot more expensive because they need to support a higher data transfer rate.
 
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Yes.. of course Im talking about the $2000 Standard P2 cards... I have no idea how much the HD cards are.
 
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Well, what I don't get is what will be the difference between using the P2 cards and tape? Also, what tapes is this camera going to use? Mini-DV or DVCPRO-HD tapes? I missed a few things, maybe they haven't been mentioned. But in any case, I'll see at NAB ;D.
 
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[quote author=Barry_Green link=board=HDV;num=1108237589;start=0#2 date=02/09/05 at 10:16:24]There will be no DVX100 replacement, Panasonic has already announced that the DVX is a current product and will continue to be a current product.

At the moment I guess that Panasonic have to be careful insofar as if they announce or even hint at a sucessor it'll kill sales of the 100. Looking in another topic there is mention of a "AJ-HDX100" (pure speculaton at the moment!) but boy does it look interesting. My only real concern is that pricewise early adopters are usually hammered.

Well looks like I'll be holding off my purchase till NAB.... Can anyone confirm the dates of NAB this year??

Cheers
 
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Well if the DVX continues as Jan's stated then it makes sense that a DVCPRO model would be a few thousand dollars more.

A HDX100 would fall nicely between the DVX100 and the SDX900.
 
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man, you're already so close when you buy the p2 cards, so why not just go SDX-900?
 
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