GH4 Panasonic GH5 coming in 2017

danielisaiah said:
Can someone confirm that these features work on all panny M4/3 lenses? One of the comments on this video is that it only works on NEW lumix lenses. That would seem odd. I have the Leica 42.5 F1.2 and I'd love to take advantage of this with that lens!
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I don't have any official information, but would find it highly odd if Panasonic did not support this feature with what is arguably their best prime. Since it appears to be in-camera software basically sending information to the focus motors specifying where the focal points are, I don't see why this wouldn't be available on a Panasonic auto focus lens.
 
stoneinapond said:
I don't have any official information, but would find it highly odd if Panasonic did not support this feature with what is arguably their best prime. Since it appears to be in-camera software basically sending information to the focus motors specifying where the focal points are, I don't see why this wouldn't be available on a Panasonic auto focus lens.
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I haven't heard officially either, but it's that absence of comment that leads me to guess that it should work with any auto MFT lens. It's a clever "low tech" solution that shouldn't need special electronics.
 
I suspect it will work but at different speeds across lenses. So some lenses may have more of a desirable autofocus speed than others. The 20mm f1.7 was a notoriously slow lens when it came to autofocus. Some lenses either communicate slower or in general have slower focus mechanisms in the lens. Not all will be 100% the same.
 
TheDingo said:
I think you will see much better 10-bit results if you set in-camera NR to -5 and then use a NR tool in post to clean it up.
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I definitely will need to try this out. I will definitely be in the higher ISO ranges for the reception especially using slow motion. I have so much testing of my own to do when I finally get my hands on one. The cleaner image of 8-bit at high ISO is enticing mostly for workflow and I've used an 8-bit image, well always. I wonder how much clean up will be needed for the 10-bit image and if there is enough for me to gain to warrant using it when shooting higher ISO.
 
ParagonFilmworks said:
And if there is enough for me to gain to warrant using it when shooting higher ISO.
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I never shoot higher than 800 ISO with my GH4, but it looks like the GH5 will be very usable at 3200 ISO. So this is a 2 F-stop improvement for me.

Also in the "Hillbillygriptruck" low light test, the GH4 footage looked SO soft compared to the GH5, which I attribute to the in-camera NR working overtime to make a usable image.
 
TheDingo said:
I never shoot higher than 800 ISO with my GH4, but it looks like the GH5 will be very usable at 3200 ISO. So this is a 2 F-stop improvement for me.

Also in the "Hillbillygriptruck" low light test, the GH4 footage looked SO soft compared to the GH5, which I attribute to the in-camera NR working overtime to make a usable image.
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I have not used the GH4 but I agree. The footage at higher ISO in that camera is too soft to be usable for me. With regards to how high I need to go, 12,800 won't be out of the question but I will probably be closer to 3200-6400 when conditions aren't good. All depends and in the beginning I will be using the GH5 as a beauty camera so most of the shooting will be outside or window lighting. I haven't been put off by the footage around 12800 with the camera though. It looks very usable to me, nothing a bit of denoising and outputting at 1080p won't help. The C100s I'm use to are a bit better with noise but you have to give a little and it's not bad in my opinion in terms of noise. Wouldn't mind NDs and punch in while recording though. I wonder if Metabones will do a built in ND filter system for EF to M43...that would be amazing.
 
Apparently highlight roll off and possibly plastic skin tones were an issue with the GH4, those of you that have used the GH4 (Cine-D profile I believe and probably what I'd opt to shoot in as it looks the best for my minor tweaks but this is an uneducated guess) do you see the same issues so far in the GH5? Does it look resolved much like high ISO shooting? Looking to get some feedback on this topic--the little bit that can be provided since we can only go by others footage.
 
ParagonFilmworks said:
Apparently highlight roll off and possibly plastic skin tones were an issue with the GH4, those of you that have used the GH4 (Cine-D profile I believe and probably what I'd opt to shoot in as it looks the best for my minor tweaks but this is an uneducated guess) do you see the same issues so far in the GH5? Does it look resolved much like high ISO shooting? Looking to get some feedback on this topic--the little bit that can be provided since we can only go by others footage.
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I haven't used a GH5 first hand, but from looking at all of the footage so far, and at Panasonic's leaked internal presentation, I would say that yes, it's been markedly improved. The color science is completely new, starting with the 9-pixel sampling to generate each color. Panasonic specifically calls out the skin tone issue and shows the improvement in their presentation. The new sampling method (not to mention 10-bit encoding) should allow it to hold onto color as the image nears clipping, too.
 
joe12south said:
I would say that yes, it's been markedly improved. The color science is completely new, starting with the 9-pixel sampling to generate each color. Panasonic specifically calls out the skin tone issue and shows the improvement in their presentation. The new sampling method (not to mention 10-bit encoding) should allow it to hold onto color as the image nears clipping, too.
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The above video with Kai was somewhat disastrous for me as it was the first bit of footage that I've seen that didn't make it shine. Again, I don't know anything about the profiles and he mentioned he was using Cine-V but it looked rough in terms of highlight roll off and the overall image just didn't look good. The pre-roll before showing them on the boat was good footage though. In terms of Cine-V, I would like a more neutral profile, like the Canon C100's Profile 8--has better highlight retention and a semi-desaturated image but not a log image. I was thinking that would be Cine-D, again I'm a newbie with the GH line though. Also, it all looked soft which is due to turning sharpness off I believe. I like a bit of the sharpness but the highlights in that profile were rough.

What do you think Joe?
 
Cine-V is a very baked in limited dynamic range profile. It is meant to be used when one doesn't want to grade and want an out of the box look. This is the problem with trying to judge a camera with online samples like this. We have camera settings for a reason and they help dial in more desired looks. If you have seen some great videos then be assured the GH5 is good. You will always find crappy samples online shot by other people. I bet I could make an Alexa look bad if I tried.

The key to watching these videos is to watch a variety of them and determine if the camera can look good. If one or a few people can nail a look you like then the camera can do it. Don't expect every single person to shoot with the GH5 with the same level of skill or style of profile they prefer.
 
As we all have found out so far there are so many controls available I am not sure what any of these previews actually show in terms of how the camera will actually perform in the hands of real users set the way they would like !!! Lots seem to swing the camera around like a novice, auto focus without mention of setting any of the auto focus parameters etc etc. I am sure it will work fine for me and look forward to learning all the parameters when mine turns up.
 
Thomas Smet said:
Cine-V is a very baked in limited dynamic range profile. It is meant to be used when one doesn't want to grade and want an out of the box look. This is the problem with trying to judge a camera with online samples like this. We have camera settings for a reason and they help dial in more desired looks. If you have seen some great videos then be assured the GH5 is good. You will always find crappy samples online shot by other people. I bet I could make an Alexa look bad if I tried.

The key to watching these videos is to watch a variety of them and determine if the camera can look good. If one or a few people can nail a look you like then the camera can do it. Don't expect every single person to shoot with the GH5 with the same level of skill or style of profile they prefer.
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I bet I could make an Alexa look bad without trying.
 
I know most of the footage is coming from competent camera ops, in controlled situations (or at least the right time of day) and I don't see an issue getting phenomenal footage but I wonder how it holds up to "the best of what is available" as weddings can be sometimes.

Either way, good call Thomas, thank you. Suppose all we can do is continue to wait.
 
More on the AF system. Going to guess that a lot of this isn't applicable with a Metabones adapter. Push focus was nice at times on the C100 MKII just to verify focus, sure much of this comes down to lens choice though and adapter ability.
 
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ParagonFilmworks said:
The above video with Kai was somewhat disastrous for me as it was the first bit of footage that I've seen that didn't make it shine. Again, I don't know anything about the profiles and he mentioned he was using Cine-V but it looked rough in terms of highlight roll off and the overall image just didn't look good. The pre-roll before showing them on the boat was good footage though. In terms of Cine-V, I would like a more neutral profile, like the Canon C100's Profile 8--has better highlight retention and a semi-desaturated image but not a log image. I was thinking that would be Cine-D, again I'm a newbie with the GH line though. Also, it all looked soft which is due to turning sharpness off I believe. I like a bit of the sharpness but the highlights in that profile were rough.

What do you think Joe?
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I think that whole video was painful to watch. ;-)

Cine-D is likely the profile you want for the most DR without going LOG. Though someone from Panasonic finally confirmed what my tests on the GH4 showed: Neutral is the most color accurate profile.
 
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