GH4 Panasonic GH5 coming in 2017

Thomas Smet said:
This is also not a fix the FW situation but a feature request. The camera is working exactly as it was designed to work. This is 100% a feature request.
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The question is why? When shooting video with 4k photo or with phone app we can see all the info in all modes. Why not in actual video mode in camera screen? It would help a user but it cant make any harm. So the question is what logic is behind this. Why hide info which already is available and needed by some users.

The most helpful thing of seeing exposure parameters is not during a clip but when starting the clip. I can check values is in reasonable limits but I dont need to dial manually every clip.

If the camera would not show expo info in photo modes there would be lots of loud complaints. In video it is even more important to see exposure values, in auto and in manual. It is unbelievable that someone resists the flagship camera showing aperture, shutter speed and iso, very basic photo and video information.

I am pretty sure Panasonic will remove the exp value blocking filter in final FW. They have made so many improvements already listening user feedback and I am happy of it. One new feature in GH5 is probably done by my idea. No one has ever talked about it but I am suggested it for years. So Panasonic is listening.
 
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I've somehow managed to keep my mouth shut for pages of the Great Vesku Debate of 2017, but, you know, I think he has a point.

Put simply, there is zero harm in including this information, and allowing a shooter to toggle it just like one can toggle the audio meters or a number of other HUD displays, allows everyone to have it Burger King style - their way.

When I'm shooting a narrative, I'm going to be full on manual. I'm going to be in control. Not only of my camera, but also the environment.

But I also shoot some things in which I want to retain some creative control, but the situation is unpredictable enough that I want the camera to do some of the work to ensure I'll always have footage, even if it's not the absolute best footage. The GH5 has a few new features that will help in this regard. For example it will allow us to use auto-ISO in manual mode, and limit the ISO range, too. (If we could also pick min-max shutter speeds, then we'd have the "creative control" mode that's been on my wishlist.)

Continued improvements in exposure tools allow me to use the aperture creatively, while the camera keeps exposure reasonable, in conditions that I previously wouldn't attempt. In such scenarios, it would actually be sorta useful to be able to keep an eye on what the camera is deciding.
 
It really shouldn't even be a debate! And I really thought my post nailed it, oh well.

As it stands, Electronic Variable ND filter in the future will be the ultimate solution. Because these are controlled electronically, the camera can be set to lock ISO, aperture, and shutter speed and then use only the electronic ND filter on auto to smoothly adjust.

As for now on the GH5 *actual* feature set, AUTO ISO within a bracketed range and understanding the camera's capabilities both in production and post production well will allow for an informed middle ground setting that should yield good results, with AUTO ISO taking care of the rest, and actually being usable thanks to the GH5's apparent much cleaner noise at higher ISOs, as well as robust codec for post recovery and adjustments.

As far as the feature request, I have no problem with an optional toggle to display certain auto information to the user, or a more robust bracketable parameter setting feature that includes parameters not just for auto ISO but auto shutter and apeture. It's not a high priority for me, but this camera is about flexibility and tons of people. As long as it doesn't hurt other things (which it doesn't), why?

Anyway.

Can we please get back on track now (where's the happy, smiling, angel emoji when needed??)
 
It is certainly welcoming to know that the Panasonic 12-35 2.8 and the 35-100 2.8, will be getting a firmware update to support the new dual IS 2.
 
Will the Dual IS 2 on Panasonic 12-35 be a good fit for gimbal work?

This may seem obvious, but I know they often recommend to disable OIS when using a tripod. Should Dual IS be disabled on a tripod on these newer systems? Should they be enabled for gimbal work?
 
Do you use any OIS lenses now with gimbals? If you do, then it's safe to say it will work with the Dual-IS 2. Hey, I see you are from Portland. I was up in Beverton last year for the day job. Seems like a beautiful state from the airplane, as I didn't have too much free time to sightseeing.
 
I don't, I have all manual glass but considering Dual IS2 for gimbal work. I am from Portland - it's a terrible place, people should stop moving here ;) Glad you enjoyed your visit!!
 
Isn't the entire point of a gimbal to not need stabilization? It does all the compensating a lens would need. A good gimbal should get perfect results and the stabilization built into the camera shouldn't matter at all. I don't have a gimbal, too restricting for me, so I don't know if it could help with micro jitters or not but I would think a good quality gimbal would be designed for perfect results from a non stabilized lens and therefore wouldn't think the Dual IS would matter at all.
 
Yes that is the ideal world Thomas :)

I've been able to dial in my gimbal to VERY nice results, but sometimes when things get dicey (longer focal length + walking through brush) a little extra help is welcome.

The main question is, even if it doesn't help (I think it sometimes may?) - will it HURT? Does OIS need to disabled on gimbal?
 
filmguy123 said:
Yes that is the ideal world Thomas :)

I've been able to dial in my gimbal to VERY nice results, but sometimes when things get dicey (longer focal length + walking through brush) a little extra help is welcome.

The main question is, even if it doesn't help (I think it sometimes may?) - will it HURT? Does OIS need to disabled on gimbal?
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We're gonna have to wait until someone tries. I know that certain combinations of IBIS and gimbals produce worse results than if IBIS was off. (I'm thinking of some tests I've seen with Sony cams.)
 
...So high-resolution anamorphic ( 5K anamorphic ) is going to use the h.265 CODEC, so I'm curious to find out what the bit-rate will be. 400 Mbps would be a treat.

 
Is the GH5 + the new 12-60 lens going to be available as a bundle here in the US? I see you can pre-order that bundle in the UK, but I can only see body only pre-order on US sites.
 
TheDingo said:
...So high-resolution anamorphic ( 5K anamorphic ) is going to use the h.265 CODEC, so I'm curious to find out what the bit-rate will be. 400 Mbps would be a treat.

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Cant Punch in the image while recording. Disappointing for video shooters. I understand the screen is better but i still think you need to punch when your pulling focus on a 3inch screen.
 
TheDingo said:
...So high-resolution anamorphic ( 5K anamorphic ) is going to use the h.265 CODEC, so I'm curious to find out what the bit-rate will be. 400 Mbps would be a treat.
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As a long-GOP codec, I highly doubt it. 4K h.264 on the GH4 often doesn't hit its ceiling, and the Samsung NX1 has a max bit rate under 100mbps. The reliance on h.265 is for internal processing speed, not PQ.
 
adaptation said:
Cant Punch in the image while recording. Disappointing for video shooters. I understand the screen is better but i still think you need to punch when your pulling focus on a 3inch screen.
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Shame.

Well, it appears apart from the 880MBs recording (and 4K@60p be 1768MBs) using an external monitor will still be useful then with the GH5.
 
joe12south said:
The reliance on h.265 is for internal processing speed, not PQ.
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A curious assertion, given that H.265 requires significantly more processing power compared to H.264, and hence often takes longer to process on the same hardware.

The real (only?) advantage to H.265 is that you can get the same image quality at a reduced bitrate, or improved image quality at the same bitrate, when compared to H.264.

I prefer the latter use, myself.
 
joe12south said:
As a long-GOP codec, I highly doubt it. 4K h.264 on the GH4 often doesn't hit its ceiling, and the Samsung NX1 has a max bit rate under 100mbps...
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Officially, 80 but it was hacked to 160.

TheDingo said:
I always thought tht h.265 is far more processor intensive than h.264 because it takes more processing to cut the data-rate in half without the image quality taking a hit.
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I believe Google/YouTube VP9 requires nine times as much processing power as H264. (I think I read that somewhere but it was a while ago).

That said, if one goes back to the H264 roots, it's a 00's technology.
 
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