Odyssey7Q

Option 2

(I'm assuming Odyssey 7Q already captures 4K RAW as DPX file sequence without a problem, just not as a compressed codec, right? So 4K capture is guaranteed from the get-go. Now we need a nice 1080p, thus Option 2 as a priority, please.)
 
Hang on a moment,

If you have 4K compressed you can downsample that to 2K 444 or 1080p 444, the choice is there. If you have a predownsampled 4K image you cannot go back the other way. The frame rates would be the same for 4K compressed or downsampled 1080p because they're all coming from the 4K signal.

In the context of digital video, 4:4:4 just means each RGB pixel is a full pixel of unique colour. You can't technically call a 4K debayered image 4:4:4 because the debayering process reconstructs pixels, but if you downsample that image then you effectively get a true 4:4:4 image. A 4K image however would seem like it's 444 because of the reconstructed pixels so long as the codec container didn't compress that further.

So i still feel for a recently enabled 4K camera getting 4K output would seem the most sensible option. Otherwise just go and buy a MkIII and stick ML on it :)

The only way option 2 would be better is if was >10 bit but i don't think that's the case. Also if you take a 4K source and denoise it in post then downsample you'd get better results too. I know the O7 is plenty powerful but i doubt it is denoising as it goes along?

cheers
Paul
 
Paul,

Your points are valid and I don't have an issue with anything you said. But I think the crucial point is that we're not discussing which option is better, just which one we want first at launch. The other will be coming 30-60 days afterwards. I believe all of us at some point want the 4K "popular codec" to be enabled, some of us are just saying we'd get more immediate use out of the 1080 4:4:4 as things stand currently.

I agree that the 4K compressed is a very important feature of the 7Q and I look forward to having that in my arsenal, but I'd personally rather have the 10-bit 1080 recording on day one.

- Alan
 
Hello Dan,

Thank you for addressing the community on this. I had to register here just to comment to this thread.

I guess at first the option 2 would be better. But I'd have few questions that make this choice harder:

1) Would "FS700 support that allows recording 4K to a popular compressed codec" mean that we could get higher frame rates like 60p with this popular codec?
2) If we have compressed 1080p derived from 4K RAW, how good the picture quality will be and how high can we go with the frame rate or are the higher frame rates only going to be available in 2K RAW recording? Sony's RAW recorder seems to do terrible job resolution wise when recording 2K RAW derived from 4K raw, so can we be assured that we still get good performance out of 1080p recording? Will Odyssey have enough processing power to deliver compressed 1080p in 240 fps?
3) How are you going to solve this 2K RAW issue? Personally I'd be happy if I had 12bit 444 signal in 1080 and 2K in 12bit 444 both in compressed format if this can guarantee us better resolution than some "fake" 2K RAW gimmick. Of course, if you can implement 2K RAW with better resolution than Sony's recorder then I'd welcome this as a choice too. If these things are going to be implemented later, but people still buy Odyssey while expecting these features, we need to know that when they are added, we are not stuck with something that can only match FS700 internal AVCHD codec's resolution as it is when shooting internally 240p.
4) Can we have compressed 2K also as an alternative choice?
 
brazzam said:
I agree that the 4K compressed is a very important feature of the 7Q and I look forward to having that in my arsenal, but I'd personally rather have the 10-bit 1080 recording on day one.
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Well (personally), i want to shoot in 4K as soon as i can. Then i choose how to deliver or work with it. There are so many tools for automating the process of doing dailies that i still believe option 1 gets you everything that option 2 would, plus more. Then in time option 2 can save a little time and a little storage space. Frankly i'd be working with 2K more than HD.

There is nothing in option 2 that 1 cannot get you (assuming we're talking 10 bit) but the reverse isn't true.

Working at 4K, especially in a compressed codec, in the major NLEs isn't really that tough these days either for those that don't want to transcode.

I don't understand option 2 being first, but hey, that's just me perhaps...

cheers!
paul
 
PrimeHD said:
Option 2

(I'm assuming Odyssey 7Q already captures 4K RAW as DPX file sequence without a problem, just not as a compressed codec, right? So 4K capture is guaranteed from the get-go. Now we need a nice 1080p, thus Option 2 as a priority, please.)
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NO.

You forgot that Sony is not letting CD record 4K RAW on the OD7Q (which is a shame by the way, what can we do to make Sony change it's mind on this subject ?)
 
By the time I take to figure out a decent(re:efficient) workflow to make option 1 useable in a production environment, the next option will be released. No matter how you want to slice it, option 1 is a loser for me. I have production schedules and commitments.
 
i change my vote to option 2! i want to shoot 4K, but since my clients don't require it yet i'm fine with high quality 1080p for now. I'm really interrested in framerates though. Any word on continuous 240fps 444(422) 10bit?
 
Option 2. Secretly hoping dan is going to come back in a week and declare both can be done day 1, just wanted to get a demand/interest count on the sly :)
 
Option 1. With Resolve you can easily create HD Dailies for offline editing or high quality HD/2K ProRes444 Files.
 
After seeing the new 4K Sony TV in person and some 4k footages.

Option 1 for me.

I want to play with 4K. I can wait for option 2.
 
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