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Dan Keaton

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Dear Friends,

I have been on a very intensive business trip.

I have driven over 7,900 miles so far, and I have had a very busy schedule.


We are attempting to set priority for the firmware features that we will enable in our Odyssey7Q.

Option 1 is to enable the FS700 support that allows recording 4K to a popular compressed codec.

Option 2 is to enable the FS700 support that improves HD from the FS700 from 8-Bits to 10-Bits when we record this to a compressed codec.

(The HD-SDI output of the upgraded FS700 is still 8-Bit, but we have plans to make this 10-Bit.)


I would like your thoughts.

Should we concentrate on implementing Option 1 first, or Option 2 first?

Thank you for your thoughts and comments.

And as soon as I am able to catch a break, I will attempt to answer many other questions that have been posted.


Respectfully,


Dan Keaton
Convergent Design
 
If I'm understanding properly, option 1 would be vastly preferable over option 2. It sounds like you're taking the 8-bit HD-SDI feed from the FS700 and uprezzing those 8 bits to 10 bits. That would be of limited appeal, vs. having the ability to record 4K to ProRes (er, I mean, to "popular compressed codec"). :)
 
for me, I suppose I would vote for option 1 taking priority (though option 2 is appealing, as well) since that is truly something that could be unique to the Odyssey. can't wait to see what you guys come up with.
 
After picking one option, how long before the second option becomes available?

I'm assuming option 2 is taking a 12-bit 4K RAW stream and compressing it to 10-bit 1080p. I assume that just because Sony isn't allowing you to capture the 4K RAW stream doesn't mean you can't harness the data to create a really high-quality compressed file.

What is the bit-depth of Option 1 (4K)?
 
Hi Dan
I think we need more information... is option 2 a "true" 10 bit, compressed from the 4k raw stream or a rewrapped 8 bit codec? If it is a true 10 bit Im pretty sure the majority of productions I am on using a fs700 would benefit a lot more from a 10bit log file rather than 4k.

BTW, I know its been disscussed before but I am also interested in a Nanoflash size version of the 7Q with limited abilities (4k raw downstream to 2k Raw and 10bit dnx or other codec are a must, But 4k or multiple feed recordings is not needed.). Also would like to see Avid's Interplay Proxy codec added as well.

Thank you

I am an option 2 vote for clarification
 
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I'd say option 1, because if we have 4k then we can generate 2k and 1080p from that, but we can't go the other way round.

My *only* concern is that i'd like the full 12 bit 4K as per the source, not 10 bit. I'm hoping our 'popular codec' includes the variation that stores 12 bit :)

But the priority would be 1, and to focus on getting the units out there. I'm more than happy to test different firmware down the line...

cheers
Paul
 
Dear Barry,

Thank you for responding.

No, we will not be taking the HD (1920x1080) 8-Bits and up-resing to 10-Bits.

We will be taking the higher quality, higher bit-depth RAW and creating great HD, which will result in 10-Bits.

Respectfully,


Dan Keaton
Convergent Design
 
That's great. We need those ten bits. Ultimately I want a better 1080p. 4K is great, but mostly I want the 4K to get a great 1080p.
 
Dear Jshbckr,

If we choose Option 1, then Option 2 may be 30 days to 60 days later.

The bit depth of Option 1 has to be 10-Bit, determined by the compressed codec. The source data is 12-bit, but both popular compressed codec's, for this specific application are 10-Bit.

Respectfully,


Dan Keaton
Convergent Design
 
While 4K is something I'm interested in ASAP, I can't help but think option 2 might be useful in the field right now. While we can down-res 4K to HD, 4K footage is much larger in file size, and I'd hate to have to shoot EVERYTHING in 4K just to get 10-bit data. None of my clients are requesting 4K acquisition yet, so I'm more interested in a high-quality HD recording without breaking my disk storage space. So for now, I'd rather have 10-bit HD with the knowledge that 4K "popular codec" is coming soon.

Therefore, let me go a bit against the grain and say Option 2 for me. (Though I'm not gonna complain about getting 4K either)
 
Dear Steve-O,

Thank you for posting.

Yes, Option 2 is a true 10-Bit, not a re-wrapped or up-resed 8-Bit.

We are listening to your request for a smaller size Odyssey7Q.

Respectfully,


Dan Keaton
Convergent Design
 
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