Odyssey RAW Bundle upgrade

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Mitch Gross

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Convergent Design recently changed from offering RAW data recording functions in a series of Record Options to now offer a single Odyssey RAW Bundle that covers all current and future record functions that utilize RAW signals on the Odyssey7Q and Odyssey7Q+ monitor/recorders.

Convergent Design would like to see all of our clients have access to RAW recording from a variety of cameras, and we do not wish to penalize our loyal Odyssey owners. Convergent Design will allow customers that own permanent record option licenses to upgrade to the Odyssey RAW Bundle as outlined below.

While the regular purchase price of the Odyssey RAW Bundle is $995, if you have previously purchased the Record Option for ARRIRAW, Canon Cinema RAW or POV RAW, Congratulations, we will grant you full access to the complete Odyssey RAW Bundle at no additional cost.

If you have previously purchased the Sony FS RAW Record Option for the FS700 and FS7 cameras, then Convergent Design is extending to you a limited time offer. You can purchase the Odyssey RAW Bundle for just $200, the difference in price between your current Record Option and the Odyssey RAW Bundle. The $200 upgrade offer is valid until June 30th, 2015.

Click here to see eligible devices in your account

Convergent Design continues to update and expand the capabilities of the Odyssey7Q and Odyssey7Q+ monitor/recorders to help extend the lifespan of our clients’ tools.
 
So what happens to FS RAW owners after June 30th? If we don't upgrade by then we still keep our FS RAW capability but can only expand it by paying $1k gain for the whole bundle? Will the FS RAW license still be available to buy for $800 for people who don't want to pay $1k for the bundle?

Also, I assume this has no effect on the multi-stream recording license which will eventually be released and will still be paid for separately?
 
Same question as Noah here.
I don't have any use for all the extra raw options right now, so seems silly to just throw $200 at CD at this moment in time for the privilege.
But what happens 6 months from now when the project I'm on uses a different camera? I can no longer pay the difference of $200 to get the bundle? I've already paid $795 for the fs700 raw. Are you going to make us pay for the entire raw bundle cost again? Why is this a "limited time offer" when we've already paid 79% of the cost previously? Maths and dollar values suddenly lose meaning? Fs users just get to pay more than every other customer in the long run?

Sorry if I'm jumping the gun here, and I've kept my mouth shut on every other thing that flares up here about the way CD does business, but this press release lacks the necessary information.
What are you planning to charge us after June 30?
 
We are giving you the opportunity to bump up to the full Odyssey RAW Bundle for only $200. A lousy two hundred bucks. You have two full months to decide.

You have a choice. You can do nothing and you have what you already have. And we will continue to add value to it at no additional charge as we have promised.

Or you can spend a meager amount of money to open up the possibility of greater usability for your gear in the future. Absolutely never ever going to use one of the other RAW cameras we support in your future? Fine, don't spend the money. But is there a small chance that perhaps you will? Then for a small investment your gear is further future-proofed.

Here's what I can promise you as of right now. We will allow upgrades of the FS RAW Record Option to the full Odyssey RAW Bundle for a $200 fee until June 30th. After that all bets are off. We will not promise anything either way.

The FS RAW Record Option, as well as any other Record Option, is no longer available to be purchased on its own. For recording using the RAW signals from the various cameras the only option is the Odyssey RAW Bundle.

When Dual-Stream Recording comes online soon it will be a separate fee, as noted in the press releases issued a few weeks ago. It will be $995 to purchase, or $99/day to rent. When we make the Quad-Stream version of Multi-Stream Recording available after that, it will cost more (price not yet determined), but we will allow owners of the Dual-Stream Record Option to upgrade for the difference in price. That may or may not also be a limited-time offer. We have not decided at this time.

Honestly we feel this is a tremendous gift from Convergent Design. We are making what we feel is a generous and fair offer. It's only $200. We want everyone to migrate to the Odyssey RAW Bundle and be on the same page. We also don't want to have to deal with this as an issue for the next six months or two years or whatever. We want it done. So decide what you want to do and decide it in the next two months. Stay where you are or take advantage of the offer.

End rant.
 
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Mitch Gross said:
We are giving you the opportunity to bump up to the full Odyssey RAW Bundle for only $200. A lousy two hundred bucks. You have two full months to decide.

You have a choice. You can do nothing and you have what you already have. And we will continue to add value to it at no additional charge as we have promised.

Or you can spend a meager amount of money to open up the possibility of greater usability for your gear in the future. Absolutely never ever going to use one of the other RAW cameras we support in your future? Fine, don't spend the money. But is there a small chance that perhaps you will? Then for a small investment your gear is further future-proofed.

Here's what I can promise you as of right now. We will allow upgrades of the FS RAW Record Option to the full Odyssey RAW Bundle for a $200 fee until June 30th. After that all bets are off. We will not promise anything either way.

The FS RAW Record Option, as well as any other Record Option, is no longer available to be purchased on its own. For recording using the RAW signals from the various cameras the only option is the Odyssey RAW Bundle.

End rant.
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Thanks Mitch and CD for taking care of us. I can't ask more than that.
 
I'm VERY happy with this deal. Thanks Mitch and CD for a great product despite growing pains. It will have a lot of value for me on future C300 MKII shoots.
 
I'm super happy with the upgrade pricing for the bundle. I have rented my 7Q+ out a couple times, and I think the added functionality for only $200 is great.

BUT... (and this doesn't apply to me) I know a sticking point for people shopping for either the Shogun or the 7Q+ disliked the fact that they had to buy an $800 license to record FS RAW. You've remedied the "proprietary SSD" issue by supporting a few Samsung SSD models, but you've caused a $200 increase to their other pain point. It could push a lot of people to the Shogun.
 
jshbckr said:
I'm super happy with the upgrade pricing for the bundle. I have rented my 7Q+ out a couple times, and I think the added functionality for only $200 is great.

BUT... (and this doesn't apply to me) I know a sticking point for people shopping for either the Shogun or the 7Q+ disliked the fact that they had to buy an $800 license to record FS RAW. You've remedied the "proprietary SSD" issue by supporting a few Samsung SSD models, but you've caused a $200 increase to their other pain point. It could push a lot of people to the Shogun.
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We also feel that the Odyssey7Q+ offers a great many functions and uses not available on the competitor's product. And please note that we offer the RAW functionality now, while theirs has yet to be made available in any way. Their announced schedule for RAW support is in small parts over time, and does not include the high frame rate capabilities available on the Odyssey7Q+, nor does it include much of the other support. The Odyssey7Q+ will soon record Apple ProRes from RAW at 4K60p and 2K240p, which is beyond the competitor's current spec. The Odyssey7Q+ also has been recording in RAW from the FS700 from the beginning at high frame rates (2K240p from the beginning, 4K60p for more than a year). It is technically impossible for the competition to ever be able to do this due to the limitation of using only a single SATA drive bus. The most possible over a single SATA connection is half those frame rates.
 
Way to go Mitch and CD......a very good and more than fair deal.

Jim Martin
EVSonline.com

BTW...your competition does have one thing on you guys...a beautiful Rep!.....no offense meant....
 
Awesome! Thanks Mitch!! This is the one product I have purchased that has only gotten better. Thanks for all the work pushing out new features and making things reasonable for owners.
 
I've got about $4300 invested in this recorder. I'm not dissatisfied with what I've purchased. I'm not sure why, as a Sony user, I'm being forced to kick out another $200 though. If I purchased this recorder to work with a C500, I get the raw bundle free? but because I'm a Sony guy I have to drop another $200? Why the Sony hate...
 
Chris Johnston said:
I've got about $4300 invested in this recorder. I'm not dissatisfied with what I've purchased. I'm not sure why, as a Sony user, I'm being forced to kick out another $200 though. If I purchased this recorder to work with a C500, I get the raw bundle free? but because I'm a Sony guy I have to drop another $200? Why the Sony hate...
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Well, I think the other licenses cost almost the double to begin with. And I think it's fair to say that there's been more stuff coming for the FS raw. I guess the people who bought the other licenses could be pissed because they paid more than $995, maybe they should demand getting money back? Or be sorry for the canon/arri hate ;)

I think CD should just make the 7Q $2-300 more expensive and include all the licenses as standard. I think they would make up for it in increased sales (and wouldn't have to bother with licensing administration/support/etc). I for one don't own one because the cost of the license makes it too expensive, and now it's $200 more expensive to get started with one (for a FS700 owner who will never need any of the other licenses).
 
Jim Martin said:
Way to go Mitch and CD......a very good and more than fair deal.

Jim Martin
EVSonline.com

BTW...your competition does have one thing on you guys...a beautiful Rep!.....no offense meant....
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Yes, Atomos does have Heather and she does an excellent job representing her company. But we have puppets.
 
Chris Johnston said:
I've got about $4300 invested in this recorder. I'm not dissatisfied with what I've purchased. I'm not sure why, as a Sony user, I'm being forced to kick out another $200 though. If I purchased this recorder to work with a C500, I get the raw bundle free? but because I'm a Sony guy I have to drop another $200? Why the Sony hate...
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The other RAW Record Options each cost more than the Odyssey RAW Bundle's $995. The FS RAW Record Option cost $795, which is $200 less. We are simply asking for those interested in the Odyssey RAW Bundle to pay the difference. We did not think it fair to ask the others to pay twice.
 
dmitrizigany said:
Well, I think the other licenses cost almost the double to begin with. And I think it's fair to say that there's been more stuff coming for the FS raw. I guess the people who bought the other licenses could be pissed because they paid more than $995, maybe they should demand getting money back? Or be sorry for the canon/arri hate ;)

I think CD should just make the 7Q $2-300 more expensive and include all the licenses as standard. I think they would make up for it in increased sales (and wouldn't have to bother with licensing administration/support/etc). I for one don't own one because the cost of the license makes it too expensive, and now it's $200 more expensive to get started with one (for a FS700 owner who will never need any of the other licenses).
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There are many users who will never have need for the RAW functionality. Someone shooting on an A7s, a GH4, an F55, a Phantom Flex4K, an F35, a C100-2, an Olympus, and so on. These cameras all send out SMPTE standard video in HD, 2K, UHD or 4K. They don't need a RAW signal to be interpreted. There are also many Odyssey owners who use the device as a monitor, and never record on it at all. I know a number of DITs who like it for the scopes. Lots of video assist people use it for the Multi-Stream capability.

It takes many, many man hours to support the RAW output of a given camera, and each individual camera requires its own support. If you want to use the Odyssey to capture RAW data signals then you need to pay for that ability so that we can justify the costs involved in developing and maintaining that support. We have Multi-Stream Recording coming in the future and if you don't want it you don't have to pay for it. But if you do want it then there is a fee because it's a helluva thing to develop and support for a complicated task serving a demanding client base. We're happy to do it, but this is how the business model works.

Should every model car come with leather seats and all the luxury frills, and the base sticker price be higher to support the costs involved? Is that really fair to those who don't need the sports suspension and the built in wifi hotspot?
 
$200 is worth it for the resale value alone. Also you'll likely be able to rent it the extra two days that it would take to make that money back because yours now supports all RAW flavors so now your Canon C500 buddies might be interested. not a bad deal
 
C'Mon! I only need fs700 raw option. This is no fair. In east Europe this is more money. My target it's a new long time...to wait :(
I buy Odyssey 7Q because i know my upgrade will be cost 795 USD no 995 USD. :(
 
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smoki138 said:
C'Mon! I only need fs700 raw option. This is no fair. In east Europe this is more money. My target it's a new long time...to wait :(
I buy Odyssey 7Q because i know my upgrade will be cost 795 USD no 995 USD. :(
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get a used one withe the extended warranty and FS700 RAW option only
 
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