Nikon D5100

pulpfiction007 said:
I agree with John - In this price range you have limited choices for 35mm(or there abouts) style video - Either figure a way to shoot and avoid the issues, or don't shoot them at all. Problem is...the only other cameras in the VDSLR price range have DEEP focus. They do a lot well, but they don't have the "look" of the VDSLR.
In the general DSLR discussion forum we were all just reminded what could be accomplished with a D90 and some skill.....and the D7000 is miles ahead of the D90(video wise). The D5100 should be as well.
We also have to keep in mind - These are still cameras first, and very good ones.
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I won't buy it of course, I got the 550d and waiting for someone out there to change their mind eventually! I don't agree with you guys. Panasonic did it a long time ago, the others just don't wanna do it for commercial reasons. Is it gonna cost $300 more? Fine! i'll buy it and keep releasing the other models with that "resolution" we're all used to with lower prices, the technology allows it and we all know it. It bothers me they keep saying this magic word "1080p FULL HD" when it's just false advertising!
 
-Sandro- said:
I won't buy it of course, I got the 550d and waiting for someone out there to change their mind eventually! I don't agree with you guys. Panasonic did it a long time ago, the others just don't wanna do it for commercial reasons. Is it gonna cost $300 more? Fine! i'll buy it and keep releasing the other models with that "resolution" we're all used to with lower prices, the technology allows it and we all know it. It bothers me they keep saying this magic word "1080p FULL HD" when it's just false advertising!
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See here's the thing - The Panasonic GH1/2 series was designed from the VERY BEGINNING with a Hybrid approach - meaning it would be designed to do both stills and video. Therefore, they didn't have to worry about the issues that a true DLSR design is hampered with. The mirror flipping up,heat, the optical VF becoming disabled, the AF not being useful. Also, when Nikon and then Canon put a video feature on their cameras...it was just supposed to be a little extra thing for photo journalists in the field (to get any video was better than none at all). So they didn't design them thinking some dude in Anytown U.S.A would be like "Hey, let's shoot a movie with this thing!"
So, to Canon and Nikon....the aliasing and moire and whatever else, just "did not matter" - They thought: "It's an extra feature-Take it or leave it, these are stills cameras."
Fast Forward 3 years - They have made the jello much less apparent, given us manual audio control, given us 1080 @24p, 30P, better codecs, (not the greatest...but better),articulating screens. Quite frankly, I'm more baffled by people's expectations....than I am by Nikon or Canon not giving us pristine 35mm video at under 1000 bucks.
Think of how ridiculous it sounds...."My T2i at $799 can't outshoot an F3! at $13,300 or an AF100 at $4799!"...."What's wrong with Canon?!"
Guess what they can do though....take award winning quality photos and do a decent job of at least approximating the "film" look. Yes the GH2 does have minimal aliasing, but remember Panasonic always had video in mind when they designed it. Also...the Panasonic's are not without their own set of problems.
 
Think of how ridiculous it sounds...."My T2i at $799 can't outshoot an F3! at $13,300 or an AF100 at $4799!"...."What's wrong with Canon?!"
Guess what they can do though....take award winning quality photos and do a decent job of at least approximating the "film" look. Yes the GH2 does have minimal aliasing, but remember Panasonic always had video in mind when they designed it. Also...the Panasonic's are not without their own set of problems.
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Exactly. Now people DEMAND that a company do this and that. And, well, it doesn't work like that. They give you what they want when they want. Take it or leave it. That's the way it works in real life.
 
Fairly comprehensive hands-on preview at imaging resource with interesting T3i, GH2, D5000, D7000, and A580 still photo comparisons across a range of ISOs.

Looking at the side-by-sides, the T3i seems to me to outperform the D5100 below ISO 3200.

And for me, the D5100's auto-only exposure control in video mode is problematic, and compares unfavorably with my GH2.

Too bad, I was hoping for a reason to upgrade from the old D50 to a modern hybrid Nikon. :-(
 
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brunerww said:
Fairly comprehensive hands-on preview at imaging resource with interesting T3i, GH2, D5000, D7000, and A580 still photo comparisons across a range of ISOs.

Looking at the side-by-sides, the T3i seems to me to outperform the D5100 below ISO 3200.

And for me, the D5100's auto-only exposure control in video mode is problematic, and compares unfavorably with my GH2.

Too bad, I was hoping for a reason to upgrade from the old D50 to a modern hybrid Nikon. :-(
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The D5100 supports manual exposure control - The only work around that I know of is you must set your aperture before entering live view...All you need to do is frame your shot with the optical VF, set your aperture, enter live view and record. You can choose ISOs in 1/3 step increments, set your shutter speed, shoot video in any mode...just about anything you want.
 
pulpfiction007 said:
...just about anything you want.
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...except aperture control. Which is not something I am willing to forego for either stills or video.

That said, you're right. I should not have said "auto-only exposure control". It would have been more accurate to say: "...the D5100's lack of aperture control in video mode is problematic"
 
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...except aperture control. Which is not something I am willing to forego for either stills or video.

That said, you're right. I should not have said "auto-only exposure control". It would have been more accurate to say: "...the D5100's lack of aperture control in video mode is problematic"
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I don't see why this would be any different than the other Nikons released recently. They definitely have manual aperture control in video mode, there's just a workaround to lock it. I've only used the d300s, but I distinctly remember being able to lock aperture.
 
The fact that Nikon released a camera still demanding a work around for something so basic as aperture control, shows how much they have missed the boat.

This is a real shame, but I do have the sense that the 5100 is only an intermediate step. Let's see what they offer up on a Pro body in the near future.

The first camera I ever owned was a Nikon. A part of me is still rooting for them, but unfortunately Canon got my business a long time ago.
 
pulpfiction007 said:
See here's the thing - The Panasonic GH1/2 series was designed from the VERY BEGINNING with a Hybrid approach - meaning it would be designed to do both stills and video. Therefore, they didn't have to worry about the issues that a true DLSR design is hampered with. The mirror flipping up,heat, the optical VF becoming disabled, the AF not being useful. Also, when Nikon and then Canon put a video feature on their cameras...it was just supposed to be a little extra thing for photo journalists in the field (to get any video was better than none at all). So they didn't design them thinking some dude in Anytown U.S.A would be like "Hey, let's shoot a movie with this thing!"
So, to Canon and Nikon....the aliasing and moire and whatever else, just "did not matter" - They thought: "It's an extra feature-Take it or leave it, these are stills cameras."
Fast Forward 3 years - They have made the jello much less apparent, given us manual audio control, given us 1080 @24p, 30P, better codecs, (not the greatest...but better),articulating screens. Quite frankly, I'm more baffled by people's expectations....than I am by Nikon or Canon not giving us pristine 35mm video at under 1000 bucks.
Think of how ridiculous it sounds...."My T2i at $799 can't outshoot an F3! at $13,300 or an AF100 at $4799!"...."What's wrong with Canon?!"
Guess what they can do though....take award winning quality photos and do a decent job of at least approximating the "film" look. Yes the GH2 does have minimal aliasing, but remember Panasonic always had video in mind when they designed it. Also...the Panasonic's are not without their own set of problems.
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Frankly I would like to see some test showing your T2i outshooting an F3. Until now I have seen only the contrary.
 
There is no "lack of" You just set it before you go to live view. You can change it again if you want. Kind of a pain but you can control it
 
Dude, just use nikon or zeiss manual lenses. That´s the standard anyway. Even the canon guys use them for video.
 
I went on Nikon website and it is true that it is only 18 mbs per second. This is extraordinary, Nikon is the company that could take this market by storm and they are making step backward. How confusing can there line-up be. I thought they had listen to people complaint about the lack of frame rate choice in the D7000, with at least 25 and 30 fps in 1080p of the D5100. But now they decrease the bitrate. So if you want some flexibility go D5100 and highest image quality go D7000. At least Canon has upgraded each of its camera even if they were lower market. The 60D is today the best Canon camera in terms of feature set compared to models costing twice at least it price.
 
The fact that Nikon released a camera still demanding a work around for something so basic as aperture control, shows how much they have missed the boat.

This is a real shame, but I do have the sense that the 5100 is only an intermediate step. Let's see what they offer up on a Pro body in the near future.

The first camera I ever owned was a Nikon. A part of me is still rooting for them, but unfortunately Canon got my business a long time ago.
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Yeah. It makes me sad for Nikon that they will probably only sell a few million of this new camera... The fact is that they haven't missed any boat. They have developed their video program as technology has allowed them. I have no idea why people think that technology develops magically. Nikon has done what they wanted and could when they wanted and could. Look at magical Scarlet. Where is it now? I guess still trying to figure out how to make it work. It is very easy to wish anything, another thing is to make it a reality. I say go Nikon, you are getting better as time goes by.
 
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My guess is that they lowered the bitrate to accommodate for the 25/30p modes. To be honest it sounds like they are just being lazy. They could offer a menu option to allow 24p at 24mbps same as the D7000 or just do it by default.
 
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