Other: New Sony Alpha 9 Announced...
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Clermond
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for dentists it is missing design award and German traditional brand name. And it doesn't hit the 5-digit price tag.
To assume it does hit all specs in workaday life with the fast AF and continuous shooting it could be a great tool for sports, action and documentation professional photographers
Liam Hall
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True.
Also true. I did consider sports photographers, as the autofocus look special, but most sports photographers are heavily invested in glass, and I can't see them slapping a lens adapter on the end of 800mm Canon/Nikon just to hook it up to a Sony.
Or, at some point, it might see a (rumored) 5D MKIV type of an update. Hypoprophetically speaking, 480 MP/s gives enough bandwidth for 54 FPS in DCI and 58 in UHD.
Maybe new and aspiring sports photographers who are not yet invested in glass. Theres a reason the 100-400 was revealed at the same time.
Had a day of hands-on with a9 today. We are not allowed to post any images until April 27 but I can make a few observations. It does not have S-Log. The press group today that had access to the cameras by and large represent the still world. But several of us discussed this with Sony representatives. I would not be surprised if we see SLog in some future firmware update but I think we need to understand that this is not positioned as a digital cinema camera. It is a still camera for the sports, newsgathering and wildlife markets where fast shooting is more important than resolution (24.2 megapixels are adequate), where autofocus is important (693 points of autofocus greatly exceeding 1DX and D5) and where fast transfer is needed (hence the Ethernet port). As it was put to me, the A7SII and A7RII have SLog and these cameras are where we would direct video shooters who need SLog. My only response is that releasing a high end camera with fewer features than the existing mid-range cameras feels like a step backwards.
I think I might have said in an earlier post in this thread that we should view a9 as a flagship still camera. I don't get into speculating who will buy it or who would be deterred by lens investment. The simple fact is that the camera is the first mirrorless camera to be a contender in this market segment.
I shot some 24p video and rolling shutter was not significant. I could do the old shake the camera and get artifacts but I'm not talking about extreme cases. I did notice some rolling shutter in continuous still shooting when moving the camera. How significant is in the eye and taste of the beholder.
Continuous shooting with interrupted live view is big.
In our press outings, Sony sets up some cool scenarios for us, Among our shooting today was a pick up hockey game at the Chelsea Piers ice rink. While I had to crank up the ISO to achieve this, I shot some slap shots at 1/32000 shutter and just captured multiple shots of the puck in mid-air.
The 100-400mm G Master is a terrific lens with excellent egdge to edge sharpness.
I think the upper end of the still market will view it favorably.
Ned Soltz
I think I might have said in an earlier post in this thread that we should view a9 as a flagship still camera. I don't get into speculating who will buy it or who would be deterred by lens investment. The simple fact is that the camera is the first mirrorless camera to be a contender in this market segment.
I shot some 24p video and rolling shutter was not significant. I could do the old shake the camera and get artifacts but I'm not talking about extreme cases. I did notice some rolling shutter in continuous still shooting when moving the camera. How significant is in the eye and taste of the beholder.
Continuous shooting with interrupted live view is big.
In our press outings, Sony sets up some cool scenarios for us, Among our shooting today was a pick up hockey game at the Chelsea Piers ice rink. While I had to crank up the ISO to achieve this, I shot some slap shots at 1/32000 shutter and just captured multiple shots of the puck in mid-air.
The 100-400mm G Master is a terrific lens with excellent egdge to edge sharpness.
I think the upper end of the still market will view it favorably.
Ned Soltz
I feel personally betrayed as well.
But that's how these deals usually work. A $2,000 camera (GH-5) has it. A $4,500 camera does not. As Ned says above, that's too many steps back.
Alpha Beta Omega
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Now we can sit back and wait for the A9R and A9S to confuse us even further in which camera to get.
Clermond
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maybe we get entertained by another B-camera thread?
icarusfilm
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The FS7 s a pretty shitty photo camera as well.
Actually, they make a lot of sense for the manufacturers - they give a user fewer options and drive him to purchase specific models. To quote Ned again, "you buy the a9 if you are shooting fast action stills". Had Sony given A9, A7SII/RII video - forget about the GH5 level 60p and S-log - there'd be far fewer models to market and sell.
The retailers like it as well. It's easier to push an item if its features are exclusive within its price range.
It is bad for the consumer, which is one of the reasons why the cartels and oligopolies are generally outlawed in the West.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligopoly
NorBro
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Sorry, makes no sense.
a7II - a7S - a7RII - a7SII - a6300 - a6500 - a99II --> a mixture of still/video feature-filled cameras and they all have S-Log2 or S-Log3 (or both).
And this new a9 all of a sudden doesn't?
A new precedent has been set. It could very well be a hat tip to someone else, but it's just not right.
Nothing else is different on the video side from any of the other cameras and a $4500 camera should not have this feature missing. I don't care what it's meant for.
I'm not buying it; I just didn't expect Sony to do this. Canon definitely, but not Sony.
a7II - a7S - a7RII - a7SII - a6300 - a6500 - a99II --> a mixture of still/video feature-filled cameras and they all have S-Log2 or S-Log3 (or both).
And this new a9 all of a sudden doesn't?
A new precedent has been set. It could very well be a hat tip to someone else, but it's just not right.
Nothing else is different on the video side from any of the other cameras and a $4500 camera should not have this feature missing. I don't care what it's meant for.
I'm not buying it; I just didn't expect Sony to do this. Canon definitely, but not Sony.
goodgoings
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I think they just want to blood suck people into buying more than one camera.
NorBro
Major Contributor
I totally understand that part...but then why include it in most of the other cameras?
a7II, a7RII and the a99II shouldn't have it. (There are other Sony mirrorless cameras that don't have it too, but they are old from 2013/2014.)
We know 99% of the photographers buying it would never use it, but just strange to leave it out...unless we see that a9s in the next 48, ha.
a7II, a7RII and the a99II shouldn't have it. (There are other Sony mirrorless cameras that don't have it too, but they are old from 2013/2014.)
We know 99% of the photographers buying it would never use it, but just strange to leave it out...unless we see that a9s in the next 48, ha.
You don't have to tell me that. (but you can, so we can commiserate together)
Of course, our next topic can be the mythical but never arriving AF200 or an even more mythical but possibly arriving two years late C200 (C100 MKIII). Surely, those product gaps aren't incidental. In other words, they are very cleverly prearranged.