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Finnegan said:
JAnd the only reason I'm citing the prosumer market is because in the professional market, Canon isn't even mentioned at all.
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Um... you're wrong. I use Canon video camcorders (not DSLR's) in professional television broadcast productions damn near all the time. And in this professional environment, Scarlet isn't even mentioned at all (mostly because it doesn't exist).
 
Finnegan said:
This is true. But "priced right" is relative. The Panasonic HPX-170 is priced around $4300 new right now, and that includes all the peripherals you need to work with it out of the box. If SCARLET fixed retails at $4750 like it is supposed to, and you can get full 1080p, super 35mm sensor equivalence and interchangeable lenses on something like the Canon 7D (which retails for $1600 body only) then really, you're looking at a price range of $2000-2500 new at best. I just don't see what the XH-A1 offers that the 7D doesn't, except for XLR inputs. And for narrative filmmaking, sound is recorded separately 95% of the time anyway so that's kind of a moot point. Of course, for niche market filmmaking like event videography, the XLR inputs are kind of a must.
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I just bought an HPX, and I can assure you all the peripherals you need are not included for $4300. I really wanted to embrace the idea of a 5d Mk2 for film making, but when I really looked at it, the only part of it that makes sense for professional production is the use of interchangeable lenses to create a specific look. All the other stuff you need to get the job done just isn't there unless you hang a ton of ornaments on it. Then it costs as much or more than a regular video cam with all the stuff already integrated. And the DSLR will still be a PITA to use by comparison.

My point about the XH-A1 upgrade to tapeless and AVCHD is that if they would market such a cam for a bit less the the HMC-150, it would sell just fine in todays market.

Grant
 
I just wish they would have a release date so I can get one through the sponsor. I am beginning to hate HDV, audio dropouts, real time capturing etc.

Its a pity the cam looks a bit average but I'll stick by Canon for now.
 
dbwolfe said:
here are some pics of the camera from the supermeet. it's quite large. I was told by the canon rep 1/3" sensor (he didn't say CCD or CMOS) and two slots for compact flash cards. I also asked him if the MPEG-2 4:2:2 50M codec would ever make it into the HDSLR's and he didn't know.
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So the new camera does have the 4:2:2 codec? Compact flash is great! With the MXF files its a winner. Lets hope there is less infinity in the lens and the lcd screen isnt 2.8 of crap, however sharp that crap may be.

And why hasnt Canon flaunted it about yet? Its pretty secretive. Lets hope its 72mm as I have many acc for that.
 
Barry_Green said:
Seriously? I mean, are you saying "I don't see what additional features the XHA1 offers that I'd pay more for, for my particular purposes" or are you saying "the XHA1 doesn't offer anything more than the 7D"? Because those are very huge different things.
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I guess I should have prefaced that I meant for my purposes. On a side note, you mentioned that the XH-A1 is a higher resolution camera than the 7D...how do you figure this? Isn't the XH-A1 a 1080i cam while the 7D is a full 1080p?
 
Just look at the images, you'll see more resolved detail in the XHA1 footage than you would in the 7D footage.

The "1080p" of the 7D is the recording format, but it's not an indicator of the actual amount of detail in the shot. The SLRs are actually surprisingly low-res. They have a ton of false detail that makes them "look" sharp, but when it comes to actually resolving fine detail they're not very good at it at all.
 
Yup, and because of that you end up with lovely artifacts like this. The fine details on his jacket are completely smushed out by the low details that the 7D actually resolves and there's ugly color fringing. An A1 would not exhibit this type of behavior. Not my work but it is the ugliest example of how this type of moire can ruin you in real life. Very distracting and noticeable in the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGr1lQAREB0

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Huy Vu said:
Yup, and because of that you end up with lovely artifacts like this. The fine details on his jacket are completely smushed out by the low details that the 7D actually resolves and there's ugly color fringing. An A1 would not exhibit this type of behavior. Not my work but it is the ugliest example of how this type of moire can ruin you in real life. Very distracting and noticeable in the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGr1lQAREB0

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Wow, it's sure a good thing that I'm not shooting "RES CHART - THE MOVIE!"

Oh, wait...
 
Because the moire is caused by the way the DSLR reads its sensor. Video cameras read their entire sensors, DSLRs skip about 90% of the pixels on the sensor.
 
Cranky said:
Would a camcorder with 35mm adapter exhibit similar moire artifacts?
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I believe something like an A1 would be very resistant to it since it resolves quite a bit of detail, even with an adapter on. Look at this shot for example. A1 with Letus Extreme and a 24mm lens at f4. The sheer amount of tiny details on his jacket would have driven the 7D insane, but the A1 handles it very well.

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Huy Vu said:
I believe something like an A1 would be very resistant to it since it resolves quite a bit of detail, even with an adapter on. Look at this shot for example. A1 with Letus Extreme and a 24mm lens at f4. The sheer amount of tiny details on his jacket would have driven the 7D insane, but the A1 handles it very well.
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Thanks for the clarifying examples. I never was attracted much to the DSLR's but I was curious.
 
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