NanoFlash, Ninja or the AJA Ki Pro MINI?

Wait - did Jan confirm 8-bit? I hadn't heard that.

And no, it's not likely any sort of "fishy" business - they have 10-bit on the HPX370, and it's not THAT much more expensive. It's more likely that they have an existing chipset for the AG series cameras, and that chipset has 8-bit output. Remember, even the HPX500 2/3" camcorder has 8-bit output, and so does the XLH1 and XHG1. I don't know about the XF300 series, whether they're 8-bit or 10-bit.

Anyway, I didn't know that it had been confirmed one way or the other. Disappointing if it ends up being 8-bit, I'd really rather it be 10-bit.
 
Hey, I just looked at this thread's title... and made the following post in the other thread. Oh well, I guess I'll cross-post it here:

Understood. I looked at the Ki Pro Mini. I can see why Apple users would be amped on it; it's a little less appealing for Windows users but still -- it's a grand less than the NanoFlash. It's thicker and I think overall bigger than the Nano. Nano needs a price reduction to remain competitive, but I think I liked the design of the Nano better, when thinking about mounting it on the camcorder itself.

See, the AF100 would be ideal for use with one of those, because you can remove the side grip and it reveals a flat plane with four mounting holes and even a cold shoe. Someone will undoubtedly make a mounting plate for one or the other.

I think the Ki Pro requires a 12v XLR, whereas the Nano can be driven off a little plug-in jack on as little as, what, 7 volts? Which means there may even be a way to power the Nano off the camcorder's battery, if someone makes a tap off the battery. And actually I spoke to a dealer in, I think, Italy, who has already launched a line of batteries that have power taps on them. I don't think it was a D-tap, but some sort of power tap available, which might be appropriate for driving a Nano with little to no hassle.

Then there's the low-budget Ninja. Didn't see it on the show floor, but ... I get the appeal of the price, but its use of HDMI-only is really disappointing to me. HD-SDI is so much better -- it's a locking BNC connector and it outputs timecode. HDMI is a non-locking connector and no timecode. Micro-budget guys might be tempted by the Ninja, but I would think working pros would prefer the AJA or the Nano if, for no other reason, because they support proper HD-SDI. Plus, the Ninja uses hard drives, and the idea of recording to a spinning hard drive is extremely unappealing to me, I much prefer solid state. The others use solid-state media. But there's no denying the Ninja's price!
 
yes the ninja is really appealing ... harddrive? no problem, I have used the Focus FS100 without problems so for me thats the first choice ( also price wise). And they are swappable!!!
I agree on the connector but the ninja looks really tempting to me.

whatever....a new GH2 will come, others will follow.....but panny made the first move and comes out in 3 months! They truly won the race for me!
 
xmephestox said:
pro res doesn't fit the bill under every category, though it does for a lot. but you lose PC support,
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That's not really true; we transfer ProRes clips from our Mac to our CS4 and CS5 Windows 7 PC's all the time and Premiere plays and edits them real time, no render bars. Incompatibility may have been a problem in the past but not anymore (for Adobe users at least)
 
powervideo said:
That's not really true; we transfer ProRes clips from our Mac to our CS4 and CS5 Windows 7 PC's all the time and Premiere plays and edits them real time, no render bars. Incompatibility may have been a problem in the past but not anymore (for Adobe users at least)
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Yes! I have checked it and in fact, Apple ProRes 422 can be used in Windows/PC workflows, like Adobe CS5 or Edius, provided the you have Quicktime installed with this decoder:

http://support.apple.com/downloads/Apple_ProRes_QuickTime_Decoder_1_0_for_Windows

Basicly, any NLE will play your Apple ProRes files as long as Quicktime can read them.
 
Barry_Green said:
Plus, the Ninja uses hard drives, and the idea of recording to a spinning hard drive is extremely unappealing to me, I much prefer solid state. The others use solid-state media. But there's no denying the Ninja's price!
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Ninja uses a hotswappable 2.5" SATA bay so you can put whatever you want in there, including SSDs.
 
David S. said:
Have you read the threads here?
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on the af 100? yeah.

from what i have read,

8bit through sdi

hd viewfinder and hd lcd(not sure that it would swivel)

xlr input

24mbps avchd

detachable handle

rotating nd

micro 4/3 sensor

6k price tag

the only interesting feature would have been the 10bit hd-sdi output.

did i miss anything?
 
as an indie(film or tv drama) affordable camera, i don't see any features better than the gh1 other than the xlr input, do you?
 
Looks like you need to stick with the GH1.

My point is that you keep posting the same "repackaged GH1 at higher price" comments at these discussions.

If the AF100 isn't for you, that's great. But why keep telling us?
 
aliasing, moire, mud. higher grade codec, with the option of a even better codec out of the sdi.

SDI and HDMI monitoring, at 1080p.

real time code, better noise floor, roll over recording.

hd view finder and lcd screen isn't important to you?

don't need a million accessories to make this camera comfortable or make it like a video camera, it's already one.


no problems with recording images with a lot of detail, gh13's can have issues with that at high bitrate hack.


the extra money isn't going into nothing.
 
i think this thread started before the 8bit announcement in another thread, and someone asked something similar to one in this thread about the sdi, that's all.
 
i think there are 3 threads at least for now going about the same subject, even if this one is titled differently they all discuss the af 100 camera. one of witch(this one) was about the output capability through sdi, but the others still discuss the camera in general including this feature that a large number of members i think wanted. this thread was created by one of these members.
 
Amr Rahmy said:
on the af 100? yeah.

from what i have read,

8bit through sdi

hd viewfinder and hd lcd(not sure that it would swivel)

xlr input

24mbps avchd

detachable handle

rotating nd

micro 4/3 sensor

6k price tag

the only interesting feature would have been the 10bit hd-sdi output.

did i miss anything?
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Yes, you missed a whole lot of things. I'll make a list and post it later.
 
trying to defend a camera by referencing star wars episode 2 should be an indication of loosing a battle, i think it's time to acknowledge that.
 
Amr Rahmy said:
as an indie(film or tv drama) affordable camera, i don't see any features better than the gh1 other than the xlr input, do you?
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Um, yes. Are you kidding? The ability to use a monitor, if nothing else!

Seriously, the list of features that the AF100 has, that the DSLRs don't, is about three pages long. Let me get it together, and THEN you can decide which one might be more appropriate for your needs.
 
well, you can use a monitor on the other cameras. that does not change the image quality from the cameras. if you can't focus on one monitor, you can't on the other. or maybe you need glasses or something.

you can't argue the price difference with the specs provided.

it's like a car salesperson trying to sell a new model car by saying the engine performs better because the car has an all new improved stereo system, and now the car costs 100 million times more because of the performance boost and the all new improved paint job that was made specifically for the car.
 
Amr Rahmy said:
trying to defend a camera by referencing star wars episode 2 should be an indication of loosing a battle, i think it's time to acknowledge that.
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Fine. Star Wars II is pretty lousy, but -- okay, you want other examples? ANYTHING shot on the F900. SWEPII was just the first one I thought of.

But, seriously, your tirade about the AF100 is a lost battle already, and I do hope that you would at least acknowledge that you haven't used one, you don't know what it's capable of, and your constant attacking on it is bordering on trolling and should be stopped.

Thanks.
 
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