NAB 06 Predictions?

FilmMaker, you aren't thinking revolutionairy enough.

$1 x 100,000,000,000 = $100,000,000,000
150,000 x $10,000 = $1,500,000,000
6,000 x $45,000 = 0,270,000,000

The math was so simple! I can't believe Pannasonic didn't figure it out before, they just needed to charge a dollar for the Varicam!

And it doesn't matter how much faith you have in Jim, the people who need our prayers are his engineers.
 
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filmmaker1977 said:
BTW I will not buy the HVX just because I want the RED camera. And I'm not the only one. There are a lot of people here that is thinking the same. Can you figure out the damage to HVX sales? I just know six others like me.
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I don't mean to rain on Jannard's parade but . . .

Announcing plans for a product, and building a working protoype, and then building a shipping product could take years. I know Jim has a lot of resources and a terrific entreprenuerial vision, but I'd be surprised if there were shipping product anytime before NAB 2007, and perhaps not until NAB 2008. Again, if Jim can do it (and maybe he can, with his resources and his inspiration, which is truly admirable), I'll be the first in line to get one (or get NBC to buy one for us). But I wouldn't hold my breath for an entirely new camera design to come to fruition within anything less than 18 months. I'm getting impatient just waiting for this April's NAB so I can finally make my "big" camera decision and buy SOMETHING, immediately after NAB 2006!
 
im.thatoneguy said:
FilmMaker, you aren't thinking revolutionairy enough.

$1 x 100,000,000,000 = $100,000,000,000
150,000 x $10,000 = $1,500,000,000
6,000 x $45,000 = 0,270,000,000

The math was so simple!
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It's not my math..
imgentertainment@mac said:
But if you could make it for cheep and sale it for cheap you might make more money that way. Instead of saleing 6,000 cameras for 45,000 you could sale 150,000 for 10,000 but who knows.
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But any entrepreneur can get figure numbers, he needs to..






im.thatoneguy said:
I can't believe Pannasonic didn't figure it out before, they just needed to charge a dollar for the Varicam!
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I already gave the answer:
filmmaker1977 said:
If not, think like Canon. If XLH1 it is the only HD camera of the market, why aren't they at high end broadcast? If they are in the lenses market? Because this camera it's the only HD model available. If Sony (this manufacturer brand didn't begin from the worldwide market? With a broadcast product but affordable to everyone.. Sony, do you follow? Like sonny, the son that all we want to have..), Panasonic/JVC will go to the market with just one model, they will sell it as affordable as possible.
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They are since a long time ago in the business. It's not the same than one company that is looking for a place in the industry and for success. As I said:
filmmaker1977 said:
Because they were wanting to be a case of sales success. And not like other vapourware Kinetta-style. Or one more DIY project. To the geeks at dvinfo.net. To digital filmmaking or just to fun like many others that spending their time posting?
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I don't believe that Jim Jannard is just a geek..






im.thatoneguy said:
And it doesn't matter how much faith you have in Jim, the people who need our prayers are his engineers.
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As I said too, it's a question of V I S I O N like Hughes with the airplane transatlantic travels..
 
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Emanuel said:
NBCshoother where you find these numbers? Comparing european prices, right?
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Most of those prices are straight from published press releases from the manufacturers themselves. The PDW-F330 street price is only my guess, based on typical street-price discount percentages taken from MSRP, and price-point positioning vis-a-vis other products in their line, competitor's products, and historical broadcast camera price points.

Emanuel said:
What's your bet if the street price will go as same F330 street price range? [The]1/2" Sony's HD synthetic colors CineAlta-style@35megabits or 2/3" JVC@25megabits? (1080i)
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Although I'm super attracted to a non-tape media camera (for time-lapse and other tape-wearing shooting), I would certainly give the JVC HD7000 a good hard look if it were priced similarly to the Sony F330. A huge reason I'm going to go with a full-sized camera is for the bigger CCDs, and I would much rather have a 2/3" CCD camera than the puny 1/2" CCD that the F330 has. What I didn't know until I did some quick fact-finding for this post, was that the JVC HD7000 (at least at one time) was stated by JVC to have a price of $27,950 WITH lens! I had thought that the $27K+ price tag was WITHOUT lens. If in fact, the HD7000 will have an MSRP of only $27,950 with a lens, that means it may street price out to something as low as $22K-$24K WITH lens. If the HD7000 prices head-to-head with the F330, I might be convinced to buy the JVC for the 2/3" CCDs alone.
 
NBCshooter said:
I don't mean to rain on Jannard's parade but . . .

...I wouldn't hold my breath for an entirely new camera design to come to fruition within anything less than 18 months.

Why?

Jim
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...or he's been around the block and hit by enough cars to have wisened up.

I believe in Jonathan, that doesn't mean I have a G35 in my hand yet. In fact, the reason I don't think the Red will hit its ambitious release date, is because Jim isn't going to let a half assed product out the door. The more I believe in a product, the later it is often released. In a well managed project time = quality.
 
I love how Jim pops into the thread and drops one word to switch things up.


It reminds me of those old testament bible stories when God would show up as a burning bush and say a few words and all of a sudden all the Israelites were leaving Egypt.
 
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Jim, if you make this happen, you'll be right up there with Nikola Tesla (a personal hero of mine).

I hope you block some time to visit here after NAB,
like you won't have enough to deal with ;)

BTW, my bank account doesn't like being so full. Maybe your product can help that out. My money also doesn't like long release schedules, and keeps wanting to run to women. Don't ask me why :)




Cheers.
 
JVC HDV 2/3" Cmos?

JVC HDV 2/3" Cmos?

JVC has been showing a prototuype of the 2/3" camcorder for a couple of years now, but it will still be HDV 720P, right? Still the same issues with motion artifacts, panning judder, and 6 frame gop's?
 
In 720p it will be HDV, yes.

But in 1080 they're talking about making their own new 1080 format, which would be full 1920x1080x4:2:2. Still MPEG-2 though. They get around the bandwidth limitations because their 1080 would record to a hard disk instead of to tape.
 
NBCshooter said:
What is their ambitious release date? Has Jim mentioned a timeframe for shipping product?
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He's said that they'll have a non-working mock-up in NAB, and hopes to have the finished camera ready and available by the end 2006, but makes no guarantees.
 
NBCshooter said:
I highly doubt that RED will ship for anything less than $40K or $50K. I don't see how they could do it for less. I don't know what they think "affordable" is at this level of the game. Sure, they could come out with RED for say, $30K or $35K, but with glass ($12K), that's still out of most our reaches.
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I suppose it pretty much comes down to how cheap the imagers are. They're not Sony or Panasonic, so they have no high end to protect, nor do they have an SD/entry-level HD low end to protect. Jim Jannard has more than hinted that the RED's price will be a surprise. $40k is a low price point relative to Sony's HDCAM systems, but hardly cheap enough to excite the members of this forum or dvinfo, where Jannard has also been active.

As to the glass costing $12K, well, used older Angenieux and Cooke zooms that are far cheaper ($5K or so) are not uncommon, and you could probably find some reasonably good Russian zooms for even less.
 
No expensive tapedrive, no complicated 3-chip-solution. This camera is going a different way. There might be a surprise.
 
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