Lumen Lights

Are you guy open to shipping a couple of lights to some of DVXuser's mainstream senior members light Barry, or Chris so that they can give some non bias feed back to members. That would be awesome. I love the Idea of what your doing. I have made my own fluorescent fixture consisting of 24, 150w 3200k bulbs for indoor use, and they worked great, but over all the constuction of the unit box was too shallow so it left my bulb exposed. Very fragile bulb. Your construction looks sound and sturdy. I would love to hear from some of the locals on the unit.

Thanks

About two months ago I extended a free invitation to The American Film Market for DVXusers. I asked people under the Saturday Night Special thread in the User's Films section to email me.

And we are more than happy to re-extend our invitation for DVXusers to see our light at the AFM. Send me a private message with three time-slots during the AFM and we'll let you know when you can come by and use one of our guest passes to check out the light. We'll be holding a press conference on the Main Floor, which is open to everyone, and you can check it out then as well.

Come on by, kick the tires, check it out. Jump up and down on the case...I did! (It freaked out our engineers, but they needed to see how serious I was about building a sturdy case capable of handling major abuse. If I can stand on the case and jump up and down then it meets my sturdiness standards).

As for the case you designed, I'm assuming you meant 150 Watt equivalent bulbs, not 150 Watt bulbs.

And, I applaud your effort, but I can explain why the design didn't work:

1.) A lot of people focus strictly on Luminous Flux (or, said slightly incorrectly but much easier to understand, Lumen Output). If you gang (24) 150 watt equivalent bulbs together you'll have a tremendous amount of Luminous Flux but poor Lux (the amount of light that actually reaches your subject). This is also my complaint with linear fluorescent lamps...the surface area of the bulbs is so large that you get a soft, weak wall of light that lacks the punch you need to light from a distance.

2.) By working with so many bulbs you'll have to have a huge, thick, heavy case to support them...or, you'll have to live with a thin, weak case that will never be truly stable. It's much easier to work with higher wattage bulbs. You need fewer of them to achieve the same Luminous Flux and significantly higher Lux.

3.) The bulbs are plenty sturdy...its the case that effects many of the durability issues. The first day I got my lights I stuck them in the back of my PT Cruiser and drove around Albuquerque at high speed, deliberately rolling the cases in the back of my car. I had two cases. Each rolled at least a couple times. Not one bulb was damaged. That's because we built a sturdy case with top-of-the-line sockets that grip the ballast tightly.

We experimented like you. We played with a variety of designs. In the end, a 16"x16"x16" cube with five sockets proved to be the best configuration. Rounded corners provided additional stability. We had professional engineers design a sliding rack made from extruded pieces so the interior plate is sculpted to fit into the recessed tracks in each corner.

A tremendous amount of work went into "hiding" our design elements. I kept hammering on the engineers to simplify the design, to incorporate the pieces into our extrusions and to exploit elements of physics to create a simpler, sturdier design. (For instance, aluminum is guaranteed to "rust." But, the byproduct is alumina, the second-hardest substance on the planet. And it can be used to allow aluminum pieces to glide across each other. Therefore, the interior pieces are self-lubricating thanks to the exploitation of physics).

Working with extruded aluminum is critical for an advanced design. Our case looks deceptively simple. Anyone who understands engineering will understand that for our glide-and-lock system to work our manufacturing facility has to produce pieces within .0001" tolerances. Our case pieces are designed to come out of the extruder and fit into each other with near perfect tolerance. Someone working on a home-made design can't create a case to those specifications. It requires large investments and access to extremely large, well equipped factories.

So, personally, I'm not surprised you encountered some struggles with a home-made design. I did as well! Whenever I showed my prototype to investors I was a tad embarrassed because it looked homemade. It was wobbly. It wasn't rugged. I had to say "Now, imagine if this were made with YOUR INVESTMENT. This is only a concept piece. With your help, this light will be tough, durable and lightweight."
 
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As for the case you designed, I'm assuming you meant 150 Watt equivalent bulbs, not 150 Watt bulbs. I applaud your effort, but I can explain why the design didn't work:

1.) A lot of people focus strictly on Luminous Flux (or, said slightly incorrectly but much easier to understand, Lumen Output). If you gang (24) 150 watt equivalent bulbs together you'll have a tremendous amount of Luminous Flux but a poor Lux (the amount of light that actually reaches your subject). This is also my complaint with linear fluorescent lamps...the surface area of the bulbs is so large that you get a soft, weak wall of light that lacks the punch you need to light from a distance.

That is so true. It was bright, but had to be right up on the subjects.
Would have lit the hell out of the office cubical though. lol

So, personally, I'm not surprised you encountered some struggles with a home-made design. I did as well! Whenever I showed my prototype to investors I was a tad embarrassed because it looked homemade. It was wobbly. It wasn't rugged. I had to say "Now, imagine if this were made with YOUR INVESTMENT. This is only a concept piece. With your help, this light will be tough, durable and lightweight."

Yeah, I didn't have the time to work out the bugs, and at the time they didn't have 105w units out that I knew of. I'll leave the hard work up to you guy who know what your doing and reap the benefits of a well lit, no heat light set up.:happy:
 
That is so true. It was bright, but had to be right up on the subjects.
Would have lit the hell out of the office cubical though. lol



Yeah, I didn't have the time to work out the bugs, and at the time they didn't have 105w units out that I knew of. I'll leave the hard work up to you guy who know what your doing and reap the benefits of a well lit, no heat light set up.:happy:

Well, buy our lights and you'll reap the benefits, as well! Plug three 2K equivalents into a single light socket in your house and light an entire room without blowing a fuse!
 
I decided to test the durability of our cases on a road trip for the last two days.

I put one of the Lumens in the back of my PT Cruiser. All five bulbs were plugged into the case and I took zero safety precautions...I didn't tie the light down, I didn't pad it with furniture blankets. It simply sat in the back of my PT, ready for an aggressive road trip. I drove about 400 miles round trip. I averaged about 85 MPH. For some distances I averaged 105 MPH. I deliberately took bumps hard at about 50 MPH. I took U-Turns hard. I rolled the light at least 5-6 times. I drove into Mexico, where at least 30 miles were on rough, poorly patched pavement.

The light bounced like mad and rolled 45 degrees at least half a dozen times (and it requires reckless driving to roll a 30 pound cube!)

When I got home I plugged the light into my wall socket. It fired up immediately. Not a single bulb was damaged! Everything worked like a charm!

(Do not take this as an endorsement for reckless driving or breaking speed limits...I wanted to demonstrate that if it can handle aggressive conditions then it can certainly handle ordinary production conditions.)
 
Great product!

I'm feeling those lights, theres nothing wrong with energy savings :)

Quick Questions. What is the intensity of these lights at a given distance, say 10,15, 20ft (in ft candles/lux) that it carries when it is fully spotted? Is it roughly equivalent to tungsten?
 
This seems like a pretty effective light! I'm impressed. Seems quite innovative.

Right now we have a pretty decent light selection for our production company, then we rent the big guns, but something like this would be ideal for us as a small company because sometimes power usage is a huge issue. On the last shoot, for instance, we had some power issues that might have been avoided if we had a light that gave off about 2K on less power. We have a 65 amp generator (Honda) and two 20 amp Honda generators for powering minor stuff, so a light like this could allow us to have more light power in a situation like that, with less electricity used.
 
Great product!

I'm feeling those lights, theres nothing wrong with energy savings :)

Quick Questions. What is the intensity of these lights at a given distance, say 10,15, 20ft (in ft candles/lux) that it carries when it is fully spotted? Is it roughly equivalent to tungsten?


That's a great set of questions. It's difficult to give a definitive answer because The Lumen is an "omni-bulb instrument". Currently, any bulb that can fit a medium socket fits into this case. We're developing an HMI adaptor which will plug into the center socket and that will expand the potential possible bulbs a user can use.

And CFLs are about to get brighter.

However, lets assume you want to use the bulbs I use, which are the 105 watt CFLs from Eiko. I'm conducting a test this week so interested customers can quantify the output with Eiko's CFL 105's. In the meantime, I brought The Lumen to my editor's home last night. We were locking picture on a commercial we shot with The Lumen. He'd never seen The Lumen up close, so I brought it into his home.

It was about 9:00 PM. Inside, the only illumination was a 60 watt tungsten bulb. I turned The Lumen on. My estimate is that it raised the entire room's illumination by about 3-4 stops. Without having a light meter on me, it roughly felt like turning on a tungsten 2K. The Lumen was illuminating the entire room, which was about 200 square feet.

It was immediately obvious that we could light an interior scene with two or three Lumens and get the same result one would get from multiple tungsten instruments...and plug all The Lumens into a single socket.

Oh, my editor also asked "So, what's it sound like with the fan on?"

I said "The fan is on."

He looked at me with disbelief, bent down and put his ear next to the fans. His eyes widened as he looked up at me as if to say "Wow, these really are silent!"
 
I should add that I don't think anecdotes are a substitute for science.

You'll be seeing stills from a lux test later this week. Also, we're in the final stages of showing a 60 second commercial shot with The Lumen as well as a mini-doc of The Lumen.

...and our pre-pre-order sale ends October 30th. Email me if you are interested in ordering lights now so you can lock them in at the $1095.00 price.
 
Your web site just comes up with a logo and no apparent way to view the product.
What's the secret to entering the site?
Ken
the Screen Skins guy
 
Your web site just comes up with a logo and no apparent way to view the product.
What's the secret to entering the site?
Ken
the Screen Skins guy

Ken -

We have not yet gone live with the site. Our website company is finishing it as we speak.

You can see pictures, read technical specs and read about the ongoing tests of The Lumen here until we have a live site.
 
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We'll be debuting a one minute commercial shot with The Lumen at the end of the week. We'll also be releasing a three minute mini-doc showing the behind-the-scenes of how The Lumen was used on set.
 
Our special pre-launch sale ends 11:59 PM on October 30th.

Our website will be live this weekend.

In the meantime, we're receiving orders via email. Please include the following information:

1.) Your full name
2.) Your company name (if applicable for mailing)
3.) Your full address
4.) Your exact order including quantity and 2K upgrades (if applicable)
5.) Credit card information or mail us a cashier's check to:

Prodigi Products, LLC
2420 Comanche Road NE Suite A-6
Albuquerque, New Mexico 87122

The Lumen's price is:
$1095.00 through the 30th
$1195.00 through the end of the AFM

After the American Film Market our price will be $1395.00 until our next show.
 
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