Lumen Lights

Hey Lumen just put up a place holder instead of the blank page...Still no info, but this shows progress...I think?
 
To All -

Here are three images of The Lumen.


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Also, please let me know what browser you are using. I'm using Firefox, IE & Safari and all three display our temp image on our website. Currently, you should be seeing a flat jpg with the company logo when you go to www.prodigiproducts.com

I'll be uploading technical specs and pricing on the lights shortly!
 
Prodigi..I've been resisting the urge to ask you about these lights for a while...
but seeing as you posted - what exactly do you mean by "shortly?"

:)
 
Here are the technical specs and regular price for The Lumen. We're officially launching the light on October 31st at The American Film Market.

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Until October 31st we'll be offering a special "pre-launch" price of $1095.00 to DVXuser Members and AFM Members.

The light includes:
(1) case
(4) barn doors
(5) CFL bulbs equivalent of a 1K (can be upgraded to a 2K)
(1) removable arm

Please email me at justin@prodigiproducts.com if you're interested.
 
How much to upgrade to the 2k? Do I get the bulbs anywhere, or only from you ? CFL's, so that means different Kelvin light temps , Right ?
Removeable arm ?... The mounting yoke ?
Looks like a combo stand in the photos, does the arm/yoke come with a spud for this?

Add: How much more for the diffuser panel ? Is it just a gel frame to place in my own diffusion, or your product ?
 
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filmat11 said:
How much to upgrade to the 2k? Do I get the bulbs anywhere, or only from you ? CFL's, so that means different Kelvin light temps , Right ?
Removeable arm ?... The mounting yoke ?
Looks like a combo stand in the photos, does the arm/yoke come with a spud for this?

Add: How much more for the diffuser panel ? Is it just a gel frame to place in my own diffusion, or your product ?
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1.) Upgrading to 2K bulbs will cost an additional $120.00 USD.
2.) You can buy the bulbs yourself if you want. We're in the process of becoming a distributor for Eiko, Osram and a new company that manufactures "large CFLs" but our OEM prices haven't been set yet. Once they are we'll be less expensive than buying them from a third party vendor. In the meantime, we're the same price as any third party vendor. Also, this case is both backwards compatible and future proofed...the sockets are Mediums (not Moguls) so you can buy CFL's at Home Depot if you wanted. In essence, this case can be anything you want...you can buy any CFL from any vendor that sells Medium Socket CFLs. And if you treat your bulbs carefully they'll last approximately 8,000 hours. That means several years will have passed before you need to buy bulbs. Higher wattage CFL's are just around the corner. The next time you buy bulbs your Lumen case could be the equivalent of a 4K.
3.) Since you can use CFL's a wide variety of color temperatures are available. I prefer pure white bulbs because it is easier to balance them in either direction (warm or cool). However, you can use whatever you want. Our goal is to give people options, not to limit them to our preferences or our after-market products.
4.) The mounting arm is removable. It can also be disassembled. This allows the user to interchange 2X horizontal bars or 2X vertical bars which are used to build a variety of arrays (1X2 horizontal, 1x2 vertical, 2x2 arrays). We're considering the creation of 3X pieces as well, which will allow users to create a variety of 3X arrays (1X3 horizontal, 2X3 horizontal, etc).
5.) The mounting yoke is a standard pin, just like the pin of a Mole Richardson Classic. Yes, this is included.
6.) We haven't set prices on the gel/diffusion/scrim holders. We're developing a kit that will have a wide variety of gels, diffusion and scrims pre-cut and glued to acrylic frames. That's what this model currently uses. It is a custom gel frame that fits this octagonal design snuggly. Because heat is no longer an issue expendables don't have to be expendables...gels can last for years. However, it would be easy for customers to create their own. We'll be launching our full website by October 31st, which will include an accessories section.

Some additional notes:
- We'll be coming out with an HMI Adaptor for the center socket. This means the case is both a hard light and soft light case.
- The slide-and-lock exterior is designed to accomodate accessories that do not yet exist. Think of it like a lego brick. Every surface can be a mounting surface. We'll be selling generic mounting plates so customers can modify them and create whatever accessories they want.
- Although Eiko rates their top-of-the-line CFL's as "500 Watt Equivalents" we've found the lumen output to be closer to 400. Originally, we relied on Eiko's claim of "500 watt equivalents" and were prepared to market this as a 2.5Kw equivalent. However, after testing we found that the total lumens was about 35,000, which is approximately the same as a tungsten 2K. However, when if someone has to color-correct their tungstens then this light is significantly brighter. You lose a tremendous amount of light by slapping CTB in front of a tungsten lamp.
- Several companies are about to release 800 watt equivalents. Even if they're exaggerating by 100 watts, that means 5 of those bulbs plugged into this case would be the equivalent of a 3.5K tungsten.
- The center socket can be turned on independently of the exterior four sockets, allowing users to immediately decrease the light output (100% with all 5 on, 80% with the outer 4 on and 20% with the center socket on by itself). It also allows the center socket to act as a point source, delivering hard light. We've found that even the CFL's can act as a point source. Although it isn't as hard as a tungsten or HMI source, it is harder than Kinoflos and linear fluorescent lights.
- Because of the low heat we can use plastic fresnel lenses. Our accessories section will include fresnel lenses that create a variety of focal effects. These plastic lenses will not work with our HMI adaptor...only CFL bulbs.
- The bulbs can be racked forward past the case, so it operates as an effective open-face instrument. I've found that by racking the CFL bulbs past the lip of the case I can get an extra stop of light.
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Therefore, this is the first light that is a HMI, CFL, hard light, soft light, open face...and anything else you can imagine. You can stick 'em together like legos and build larger arrays. You can build a light wall. You can build long linear lines for soft even light. You'll never need a softbox again. And it always stays cool to the touch!

And you can stack 'em in your garage on top of each other. I have four stacked in mine, and they only take up a 16"x16" square of my floor.
 
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No one has asked about the fans yet, but in anticipation of any questions, here are some notes:

- The fans are amazingly silent. They're the most advanced fans on the market.
- The fans are so quiet that you can place your head next to the case and only barely hear them. From 10 feet away they are cannot be heard.
- The fans can be turned on and off (by the third green switch on the back). We suggest turning them off right before the director yells "Action!" and on immediately after the director yells "Cut!" The fans will dramatically extend the life of your CFL's.

Personally, I've found that anywhere but a sound stage the fans do not interfere with sound recording. For my films I'll leave the fans on for about 80% of all sync-sound situations...however, we want customers to have maximum flexibility and we know some customers have a bias against fans so we've given you the option. Leave 'em on, turn 'em off. It's up to you.
 
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It's also worth commenting on the "lego factor."

Stick four of these together and you have an 8K (that only pulls 2K). As CFL manufacturers create higher wattage bulbs four lumens have the potential to create 12K's (that only pull 4K's).

5K's and above are generally the domain of "big budget films." That's not true anymore.

Now, you can do whatever you want.
 
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I love it when people get innovative.

Keep on "truck'n!"

By the way, this sorta reminds me of the barger bager baglight (spelling?)
 
Compact Fluorescent Bulbs are not reliably dimmable yet. Several bulb manufacturers are developing dimmable bulbs.

We're a lamp manufacturer, not a bulb manufacturer. I'd contact Osram or Eiko directly to see what their next-gen bulbs are going to be capable of.

In the meantime, users can decrease the amount of light by one of four ways:

1.) Traditional scrims. Thanks to the 95% reduction in waste heat, our scrims don't have to be made of metal. We'll be rolling out accessories rapidly in the next few months.

2.) Turning off various bulbs...with the various switches on the back of the case the user can decrease the light from 100% to 80% to 20% at the flip of a switch.

3.) Use the focus knob to rack from "open face mode" to "fresnel mode", slap in a plastic fresnel lense and decrease your light by 1-2 stops.

4.) Plugging in lower wattage CFL bulbs, which only takes a few seconds per bulb. I personally plan on making a small case with various wattages so I can effortlessly change my Lumen 2K's into 1.5K's, 1K's and 500 watt equivalents.
 
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cardmaverick said:
I love it when people get innovative.

Keep on "truck'n!"

By the way, this sorta reminds me of the barger bager baglight (spelling?)
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I agree that some elements of our lights are similar. But, I think if you compare our lights spec-for-spec you'll see The Lumen has significant advantages.

And no one makes a large scale light that can be arrayed. That is a unique feature to our system. Only itty-bitty LED lights can do that...and their best used as fill lights. They're not designed to illuminate large scale film sets.

If I remember correctly, the light you're referring to still outputs a lot of heat. I consider heat a major downside of any lighting design.
 
Your light looks like CFLs in a box: The reflectors aren't even optimized for maximum output. And I doubt that it comes in a stand. And it's $1000+. Ouch!
 
seunosewa said:
Your light looks like CFLs in a box: The reflectors aren't even optimized for maximum output. And I doubt that it comes in a stand. And it's $1000+. Ouch!
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You're assuming alot based on photographs alone. We have yet to see the reflectors.

He already stated it doesn't come with a stand.
 
These lights are awesome! I was the key grip on a shoot last week and we used them. They are very user friendly, which made my job more efficient. These lights are very tough and very versatile! Check them out.
 
Are you guy open to shipping a couple of lights to some of DVXuser's mainstream senior members light Barry, or Chris so that they can give some non bias feed back to members. That would be awesome. I love the Idea of what your doing. I have made my own fluorescent fixture consisting of 24, 150w 3200k bulbs for indoor use, and they worked great, but over all the constuction of the unit box was too shallow so it left my bulb exposed. Very fragile bulb. Your construction looks sound and sturdy. I would love to hear from some of the locals on the unit.

Thanks
 
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