This is what I'm beginning to think. I could see very rare occasions could call for a creative choice to do so.
So there's a clear cut divide going on it looks like.
Lowlight Shooting: Please Define what you consider lowlight?
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This is what I'm beginning to think. I could see very rare occasions could call for a creative choice to do so.
So there's a clear cut divide going on it looks like.
Ahhh... but heres a challenge. Shoot so it looks like natural light yet properly exposed, and i dont mean getting exposure on the face. im talking proper exposure in the scene....
Savides=MASTER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNa0fq5Ib2I
and as far as we are talking proper use of Natural light....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hFO9sA7LsA Also SAvides.
Now when we get to talking about low AVAILABLE light, and its relationship to documentary check this... this was practically NO light.... with 5D and a variety of lenses... this camera was in essence MADE for available light shooting... for the event photographer.... these are some examples of shoots that would have been IMPOSSIBLE with any other camera. Both were hovering around 1250 ISO - 3200 ISO with a canon F4 24-105 and a 50mm F1.4 The results speak for them selves.
http://vimeo.com/9737546 Cant embed this one...
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Savides=MASTER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNa0fq5Ib2I
and as far as we are talking proper use of Natural light....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hFO9sA7LsA Also SAvides.
Now when we get to talking about low AVAILABLE light, and its relationship to documentary check this... this was practically NO light.... with 5D and a variety of lenses... this camera was in essence MADE for available light shooting... for the event photographer.... these are some examples of shoots that would have been IMPOSSIBLE with any other camera. Both were hovering around 1250 ISO - 3200 ISO with a canon F4 24-105 and a 50mm F1.4 The results speak for them selves.
http://vimeo.com/9737546 Cant embed this one...
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Jean Dantes
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Ben_B
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Streetlights isn't specific enough...I shot a film that looked great under streetlights in downtown Santa Cruz (not necessarily the most bustling place in the world) but I can't get crap under street lights in a residential area in the same town, even right under the lights....too damn dark.
I almost never have 5k to play with! I'm in film school and the most I ever have had on a shoot is about 5K (outside of a proper studio space where we'll get a lot more.) Hell, even an HVX can handle 5K worth of light at night if you're doing low-key lighting, we've done it....1K key, 650 fill, 650 rim, a tota for the ground, and two 500 watt work lamps playing headlights in the background...none of it fresnel'd. On the GH1 we could shoot just fine at ISO 800 and f/4 with half that.
Long story short i don't like the term "lowlight" I think "available light" is a better term...meaning, without adding anything, a natural environment.
But anyway, I would consider lowlight anywhere where you need ISO 800 to shoot at f/2 with a 1/60th shutter for what reads as proper exposure on a face.
I almost never have 5k to play with! I'm in film school and the most I ever have had on a shoot is about 5K (outside of a proper studio space where we'll get a lot more.) Hell, even an HVX can handle 5K worth of light at night if you're doing low-key lighting, we've done it....1K key, 650 fill, 650 rim, a tota for the ground, and two 500 watt work lamps playing headlights in the background...none of it fresnel'd. On the GH1 we could shoot just fine at ISO 800 and f/4 with half that.
Long story short i don't like the term "lowlight" I think "available light" is a better term...meaning, without adding anything, a natural environment.
But anyway, I would consider lowlight anywhere where you need ISO 800 to shoot at f/2 with a 1/60th shutter for what reads as proper exposure on a face.
yes, to me 'low light' and 'available light' or 'natural lighting' all apply to the same concept where you're trying to get something out of the location without adding anything to it.
as soon as you plug additional bulbs, it's already 'staged' in my opinion.
what i really love about the DSLR sensitivity is that we can really design visuals using small portable appliances to create extra space with pockets of light or enhance beauty and depth instead of having to handle large quantities of power to simply get a correct exposure.
as soon as you plug additional bulbs, it's already 'staged' in my opinion.
what i really love about the DSLR sensitivity is that we can really design visuals using small portable appliances to create extra space with pockets of light or enhance beauty and depth instead of having to handle large quantities of power to simply get a correct exposure.
Lammy
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This is what I consider "low light". I also reject the notion that "low light" is something beyond your creative control, because frankly anything can be within your control - you're just either being lazy or doing it for a creative reason. Here is an example of "low light" used well for a story in my opinion.
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This is what I consider "low light". I also reject the notion that "low light" is something beyond your creative control, because frankly anything can be within your control - you're just either being lazy or doing it for a creative reason. Here is an example of "low light" used well for a story in my opinion.
some are simply saying that they define lowlight as a situation where they are not able to exert as much control as they would like. if you ever shoot any low budget documentary style videos you'll quickly find plenty of situations where there's very little you can do to control the light available to you. sure, there's always some way to make the best of the situation, but it doesn't mean you'll get the exposure you want.
Lammy
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In that case I'd use the term as "available light only" and "low light" quite inter-changably. It's also simpler this way because you can control low light for aethetic reasons, but using available light only is a different matter.
Not a big fan of "no light" terminology, that just sounds faceteous, what, they're literally filming in darkness with infra-red/night vision or something?
Lammy
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This thread is about semantics, not creative ethics...
If it's 12pm outdoors with the summer sun, and we're all sweating from the heat and wearing SPF 50+ lotion with our oh-so-cool shades, and you was my DP and said to me "Damn, it's lowlight here
" I'd think you were crazy...
'no, i would say somethign like.... "This light is ugly...."
though if you hired me, we would have done proper preproduction, and we would have been prepared, so I would have no reason to say that.....
though if you hired me, we would have done proper preproduction, and we would have been prepared, so I would have no reason to say that.....
Ben_B
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'no, i would say somethign like.... "This light is ugly...."
though if you hired me, we would have done proper preproduction, and we would have been prepared, so I would have no reason to say that.....
What's a preproduction?
