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bravo! I keep saying the same thing but nobody will listen to me until I pick up my awards.
Lets compare clips to be realistic.
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jamesmallonuk
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I feel Barry Green deserves some respect but I disagree completely the films he mentions are mainly documantaries (which personally I am interested in and am huge fan of James Longley) But they are the exception, compared with the thousands of fiction based movies shot on 35mm. As a side point the DVX has some film like characteristics which is precisely why it was so popular and Barry has been flogging books on how to make it look FILMIC!.
So we come again to my point, Big Budget players are using the RED, the same camera that the latest Nicolas Cage movie, the same camera Matt Damon is using for his latest, the same camera used for the latest Denzel Wasington movie. And you haven't grasped the point that you can use the same camera as them! Barry is missleading not to encourage people in this oportunity at this time. The scarlet is going to be ther same price as the average wage of two.
You know a few years ago I met this regular guy and his cousin was making a movie with money his family friends got together and he was making the soundtrack on an old apple ibook, it was called Brick, his next movie had Rachel Wise in it. That same movie could of been made today for considerably less today with a RED. I think we think real indie movie making is too far off from us. I think the guy Mattsand and guys like him have the right model which has to include some serious marketing and a buisness model like Zak Forsman. And sure they are using DSLR's but I bet they will be using a Scarlett in a year.
I think if you want to enter the movie/tv/Advertising/Music industry even if its just an editor or camerman or something, make a serious attempt at something if you think your talents are truly any good. Man why dont 5-10 of you get together for a month and make a proper Short that could open doors in the industry.
Like I said other people just want to make web videos etc so great use a DSLR. But if you deep down dream about making movies, don't crumple under fear and seize the opportunity a Scarlett will give you and save your money for it.
I fear if I come back in years time many of you will be making terrible rap videos or clips of the backyard with a DSLR but the wise will be using the Scarlett/RED for something with bigger aspirations. If this upsets anyone its susposed to so you wise up.
So we come again to my point, Big Budget players are using the RED, the same camera that the latest Nicolas Cage movie, the same camera Matt Damon is using for his latest, the same camera used for the latest Denzel Wasington movie. And you haven't grasped the point that you can use the same camera as them! Barry is missleading not to encourage people in this oportunity at this time. The scarlet is going to be ther same price as the average wage of two.
You know a few years ago I met this regular guy and his cousin was making a movie with money his family friends got together and he was making the soundtrack on an old apple ibook, it was called Brick, his next movie had Rachel Wise in it. That same movie could of been made today for considerably less today with a RED. I think we think real indie movie making is too far off from us. I think the guy Mattsand and guys like him have the right model which has to include some serious marketing and a buisness model like Zak Forsman. And sure they are using DSLR's but I bet they will be using a Scarlett in a year.
I think if you want to enter the movie/tv/Advertising/Music industry even if its just an editor or camerman or something, make a serious attempt at something if you think your talents are truly any good. Man why dont 5-10 of you get together for a month and make a proper Short that could open doors in the industry.
Like I said other people just want to make web videos etc so great use a DSLR. But if you deep down dream about making movies, don't crumple under fear and seize the opportunity a Scarlett will give you and save your money for it.
I fear if I come back in years time many of you will be making terrible rap videos or clips of the backyard with a DSLR but the wise will be using the Scarlett/RED for something with bigger aspirations. If this upsets anyone its susposed to so you wise up.
I dont think that many of us really care (i dont)because its about the look here,we dont want our films to look like they were filmed with cellphone,we want serious expensive and professional looking film footage with depth of field ,i would never want my film to look like it was shot on cellphone,there are billions cellphone films and nobody care about them when starts to watch 2 seconds because its very visible that they were filmed with cellphone.Awards and things simply dont belong to the same discussion,its about the look not trophies.
Can we see this cellphone award winning film?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d-7...fest-winner-2009.html&feature=player_embedded
If this is the one then how did he get shallow dof in some takes ,as far as i remember cellphones didnt had optical zoom lens to achieve this.
I dont think it was shot on cellphone but also its not the look i would want in my film.
Rakesh Jacob
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ROTFLMFAO!!!!!
Jannard is that you?
DUDE WTF DO YOU THINK 35mm FILM GUYS WERE SAYING TO RED USERS WHEN THE RED FIRST CAME OUT? Gear snobbery is one thing, but you are bordering or douchebaggery!
How freaking many total crap RED video clips are there for every 1decent Red clip? Come on man there's just as much sh**y Red stuff out there by people that don't know what they are doing as anything else. RARELY, RARELY, RARELY does a totally indie production make it through final distribution to the mainstream studio outlets AS IS. People who are shooting for the major studios on RED made it in cause of thier skills and thier creativity not the gear they use. People that make terrible rap videos on a 5D will make terrible rap videos with a RED1, or do you not understand that?
jamesmallonuk
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Yes I do. But YOU guys can make great (professional) looking Rap videos on a cheap Scarlett right?
Rakesh Jacob
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ACTUALLY NO!!!! Find me a Scarlet I can shoot a video on LOL
Pirata
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LOL, the truth stick hurts.
Rakesh Jacob
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Look JamesMallonuk, there is no one way a person "makes it." Hell there is no one way to define what "making it" means. And certainly there is not one camera that rules them all. This is not Lord of the Films. From my experience in the music industry it was about networking and persistance. If you are acutally talented, well hell that's a bonus 
Entertainment is subjective, some of the craziest crap gets picked up and some of the most wonderfully brilliant stuff gets boned...hard! I'm not really sure what you're angle is, I'm just speaking for the guys that wanna be empowred to do their own thing, to do it on their time line, on their terms. Those are the true artists in my book. And I don't care if they use 35mm, RED1, 7D, GH1, iPhone 3gs, Scarlett, Charolett or Harlot, they have a path they have to walk and decisions they have to live with, and VERY FEW of us will "make it" in the stereotypical mainstream sense of the word but WE DON'T REALLY GIVE A F--- as long as we get to do what we do!
Entertainment is subjective, some of the craziest crap gets picked up and some of the most wonderfully brilliant stuff gets boned...hard! I'm not really sure what you're angle is, I'm just speaking for the guys that wanna be empowred to do their own thing, to do it on their time line, on their terms. Those are the true artists in my book. And I don't care if they use 35mm, RED1, 7D, GH1, iPhone 3gs, Scarlett, Charolett or Harlot, they have a path they have to walk and decisions they have to live with, and VERY FEW of us will "make it" in the stereotypical mainstream sense of the word but WE DON'T REALLY GIVE A F--- as long as we get to do what we do!
jamesmallonuk:
I agree with the gist of your idea, being that the current crop of DSLRs are crippled and limited in some areas, and that we (low budget indie folks) should all aspire to something better technically... less jello, less aliasing, better codec, proper audio, etc...
You sound like your money is on Scarlet. My money is on future DSLRs/Camcorders from the usual suspects. Both being hypothetical unreleased future cameras.
Even *if* (and that's a HUGE if) Canon/Panny/Sony/Nikon haven't gotten the memo yet that we want affordable, large sensor, photo lens compatible, high quality camcorders. And *if* Scarlet becomes a huge hit. How long until the big 4 react? 6 months? 9 months? They already have all the tech right there on the table. How long do you think it's gonna take them to figure out how to write 24 sRAW per second on a compact flash card?
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I agree with the gist of your idea, being that the current crop of DSLRs are crippled and limited in some areas, and that we (low budget indie folks) should all aspire to something better technically... less jello, less aliasing, better codec, proper audio, etc...
You sound like your money is on Scarlet. My money is on future DSLRs/Camcorders from the usual suspects. Both being hypothetical unreleased future cameras.
Even *if* (and that's a HUGE if) Canon/Panny/Sony/Nikon haven't gotten the memo yet that we want affordable, large sensor, photo lens compatible, high quality camcorders. And *if* Scarlet becomes a huge hit. How long until the big 4 react? 6 months? 9 months? They already have all the tech right there on the table. How long do you think it's gonna take them to figure out how to write 24 sRAW per second on a compact flash card?
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slimjimmed
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Look JamesMallonuk, there is no one way a person "makes it." Hell there is no one way to define what "making it" means. And certainly there is not one camera that rules them all. This is not Lord of the Films. From my experience in the music industry it was about networking and persistance. If you are acutally talented, well hell that's a bonus
Entertainment is subjective, some of the craziest crap gets picked up and some of the most wonderfully brilliant stuff gets boned...hard! I'm not really sure what you're angle is, I'm just speaking for the guys that wanna be empowred to do their own thing, to do it on their time line, on their terms. Those are the true artists in my book. And I don't care if they use 35mm, RED1, 7D, GH1, iPhone 3gs, Scarlett, Charolett or Harlot, they have a path they have to walk and decisions they have to live with, and VERY FEW of us will "make it" in the stereotypical mainstream sense of the word but WE DON'T REALLY GIVE A F--- as long as we get to do what we do!
So f---g perfect.
Taylor Rudd
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You guys are funny.
Go out and shoot :thumbup:
Go out and shoot :thumbup:
impressive for the D90. very impressive on all other elements of this piece of work!
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jamesmallonuk
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Can I get permission now to say I told you so later when you are desperately selling everything you own including the 7D on Ebay to buy a Scarlett before this Christmas?
So f...g missing the point I'm making.
ps I look forward to seeing your next iphone movie....maybe.
Jean Dantes
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RED blows if you put a **** lens on it. And if you want the best out of RED, you have to put a whole lot of money on renting (even more if you wanna buy) true filmmaking prime-lenses.
Scarlett will be using a 2/3 sensor, just like the Thomson Viper that Mann uses. The difference is, Mann has got the best lenses available for filmmaking on his 2/3 camera, with Dion Bebe sitting behind the camera to take advantage of them.
Most indie filmmakers that hang out on forums like this are more Cinematographers at heart then Directors or Writers I believe. Most of the indie Directors I know don't know **** about camera technologies, and are still using SD miniDV to tell their stories.
jamesmallonuk, I can see the point you're trying to make. However, when it comes to cameras that are powerful in regards to photographic capabilities (GH1, 5D, 7D, Scarlett), the image they will create will be decided by the operator, not the camera. And in regards to filmmaking in general (even music-videos to some degree): STORY IS KING. Will always be King.
RED is cool, but too exspensive for people I consider to be "true" indie filmmakers.
Scarlett will be using a 2/3 sensor, just like the Thomson Viper that Mann uses. The difference is, Mann has got the best lenses available for filmmaking on his 2/3 camera, with Dion Bebe sitting behind the camera to take advantage of them.
Most indie filmmakers that hang out on forums like this are more Cinematographers at heart then Directors or Writers I believe. Most of the indie Directors I know don't know **** about camera technologies, and are still using SD miniDV to tell their stories.
jamesmallonuk, I can see the point you're trying to make. However, when it comes to cameras that are powerful in regards to photographic capabilities (GH1, 5D, 7D, Scarlett), the image they will create will be decided by the operator, not the camera. And in regards to filmmaking in general (even music-videos to some degree): STORY IS KING. Will always be King.
RED is cool, but too exspensive for people I consider to be "true" indie filmmakers.
Taylor Rudd
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It's probably better that I just invest time elsewhere, but why is this so important to you? Why is everything you talk about promoting a camera that does not exist today? I'm trying to understand your agenda, and why you are taking this so personally.
Will the Scarlett be better than the 7D? Hopefully. And when it's released, the community will react appropriately. Until then, we are going to do what we do with what have (or have on pre-order).
A camera is not going to be the catalyst of your career, unless you're going into rentals and have a short-term business model.
Rakesh Jacob
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I'm telling you it's Jannard and OMG I think he just confirmed a Scarlet release date!!!!!! :love4:
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