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D90 color to me is the worst. Was never and still am not a fan of it. The odd peachy oranges in nearly everything makes my eyes bleed and I have no idea why it's being called accurate. Such things never show up in properly shot RED footage, MKii or GH-1 footage.
 
Well the "dream" of seeing it on the big screen is more than indie projections
why would anyone make a feature if it wasn't made to be distributed, preferably on the big screen? the whole reason people do it, and even more so the reason people invest in it, is that the film might actually make it. what exactly would be the benefit of *not* dreaming of success? eliminating the risk of failure is a reason only suitable for losers, in my opinion.
 
Hmmm, I must be in a bad mood today, so... here goes...

Look, the standard-def DVX has made plenty of big-screen films, theatrically-released pictures like "November", "Lonesom Jim", "Murderball", "9 Songs", "Mad Hot Ballroom", "The Aristocrats", and probably many more. Including Academy Award nominees like "Iraq In Fragments" and (again) "Murderball". And Sundance Cinematography award winners Murderball and November.

A standard-def DVX.

A 4:3-native, 360-line DVX. 360 lines of resolution when cropped to 16:9. Good enough for the big screen, good enough to get two oscar noms and to win Sundance's best-cinematography award. Twice. On the big screen.

An HVX200 was used for pickup shots in the theatrical release of Spielberg's "Munich" and Scorsese's "The Departed".

XHA1s and HV20s were used in Crank 2.

To say that you need a Scarlet or a Red One or ... ANYTHING ... to hide behind as an excuse as to why you're not making something for the big screen right now, is simply unsubstantiatable.

NO CAMERA IS GOING TO MAKE ONE BIT OF DIFFERENCE AS TO WHETHER YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL OR NOT.

Mark Pirro made over $500,000 off of his film "A Polish Vampire in Burbank". It was shot on Super 8. Super 8. As in, VHS quality Super 8. And when I say $500,000 I'm talking about 1985 dollars, 24 years ago... assuming 4% inflation, that'd be $1.3 million in today's dollars.

The cameras of today are good enough. An HV40 is good enough, if you've got the story to go with it. Put on a Letus Mini and go shoot. If you're waiting for a 7D or a Nikon something-or-other or a Scarlet or a GHX100 or whatever, then you're just hiding behind an excuse.

Thanks! Most inspiring post ever.
 
D90 color to me is the worst. Was never and still am not a fan of it. The odd peachy oranges in nearly everything makes my eyes bleed
i know what you're saying but i like that it holds saturation even in shadows and highlights, which is what you're seeing. the 5d is pretty similar in that respect, while the gh1 completely desaturates as you add exposure.
 
what about the image itself makes you doubt that it was shot on a d90, and aside from production value, what's so special about it?

Smooth pans and telephoto shots.No overexposing.Some shots look very nice.
Takes on 0:27 , 0:43 look very good,what kind of lens it could be ? 200/300mm ?
I would also say good choice of lens,instead of shooting on infinity with 50mm or 28mm they shot with telephoto lens and there still is depth of field.Most DSLR footage on infinity looks like regular HD cam.
Ive seen a lot of tests and footage from d90 and this one really stands out from all jello overexposed handheld videos.
 
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Hmmm, I must be in a bad mood today, so... here goes...

Look, the standard-def DVX has made plenty of big-screen films, theatrically-released pictures like "November", "Lonesom Jim", "Murderball", "9 Songs", "Mad Hot Ballroom", "The Aristocrats", and probably many more. Including Academy Award nominees like "Iraq In Fragments" and (again) "Murderball". And Sundance Cinematography award winners Murderball and November.

A standard-def DVX.

A 4:3-native, 360-line DVX. 360 lines of resolution when cropped to 16:9. Good enough for the big screen, good enough to get two oscar noms and to win Sundance's best-cinematography award. Twice. On the big screen.

An HVX200 was used for pickup shots in the theatrical release of Spielberg's "Munich" and Scorsese's "The Departed".

XHA1s and HV20s were used in Crank 2.

To say that you need a Scarlet or a Red One or ... ANYTHING ... to hide behind as an excuse as to why you're not making something for the big screen right now, is simply unsubstantiatable.

NO CAMERA IS GOING TO MAKE ONE BIT OF DIFFERENCE AS TO WHETHER YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL OR NOT.

Mark Pirro made over $500,000 off of his film "A Polish Vampire in Burbank". It was shot on Super 8. Super 8. As in, VHS quality Super 8. And when I say $500,000 I'm talking about 1985 dollars, 24 years ago... assuming 4% inflation, that'd be $1.3 million in today's dollars.

The cameras of today are good enough. An HV40 is good enough, if you've got the story to go with it. Put on a Letus Mini and go shoot. If you're waiting for a 7D or a Nikon something-or-other or a Scarlet or a GHX100 or whatever, then you're just hiding behind an excuse.
man.. me agrees w/ you sure.. but you're forgetting an excuse.. in 2 true figures & 2 true words.. 35 (me wrote true not simulated) & future proof

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btw.. 9 songs sucks & The Aristocrats or Iraq in Fragments would never demand the 35 look.. november yes.. but cannot comment when the dvd is less than 2 meters of me now but didn't watch it yet.
 
I just think while the image will be great from the 7D I don't think it is a good investment for an indie filmaker who really dreams of getting his work up on a big screen.

Which ones? The dying breed of film projected big screens or the developing breed of digitally projected ones?

The cameras of today are good enough. An HV40 is good enough, if you've got the story to go with it. Put on a Letus Mini and go shoot. If you're waiting for a 7D or a Nikon something-or-other or a Scarlet or a GHX100 or whatever, then you're just hiding behind an excuse.

That is why when I called Abelcine a couple of days ago to find out the status of the GH1 and they told me they got a few and were holding one for me I ran out the door like a madman. The previous day I thought for 2 seconds about holding on for the 7D. I decided no, get the GH1 NOW make the money you spent on it back and when the 7D is available in a few months get it if it suits your needs. The next day after I got the GH1 I started making my money back. BTW: Barry you are right, it is a pretty cool cam. So far no a single drop of "mud" on 1080P, (maybe I got a magical one or maybe Panasonic fixed something while we waited?). Also the MJPEG is very good. Everything I shot yesterday was MJPEG for the ease of quick editing. I still have loads to learn about the camera though.
 
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You should post more. I'm keeping my DVX100b longer now!!



Hmmm, I must be in a bad mood today, so... here goes...

Look, the standard-def DVX has made plenty of big-screen films, theatrically-released pictures like "November", "Lonesom Jim", "Murderball", "9 Songs", "Mad Hot Ballroom", "The Aristocrats", and probably many more. Including Academy Award nominees like "Iraq In Fragments" and (again) "Murderball". And Sundance Cinematography award winners Murderball and November.

A standard-def DVX.

A 4:3-native, 360-line DVX. 360 lines of resolution when cropped to 16:9. Good enough for the big screen, good enough to get two oscar noms and to win Sundance's best-cinematography award. Twice. On the big screen.

An HVX200 was used for pickup shots in the theatrical release of Spielberg's "Munich" and Scorsese's "The Departed".

XHA1s and HV20s were used in Crank 2.

To say that you need a Scarlet or a Red One or ... ANYTHING ... to hide behind as an excuse as to why you're not making something for the big screen right now, is simply unsubstantiatable.

NO CAMERA IS GOING TO MAKE ONE BIT OF DIFFERENCE AS TO WHETHER YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL OR NOT.

Mark Pirro made over $500,000 off of his film "A Polish Vampire in Burbank". It was shot on Super 8. Super 8. As in, VHS quality Super 8. And when I say $500,000 I'm talking about 1985 dollars, 24 years ago... assuming 4% inflation, that'd be $1.3 million in today's dollars.

The cameras of today are good enough. An HV40 is good enough, if you've got the story to go with it. Put on a Letus Mini and go shoot. If you're waiting for a 7D or a Nikon something-or-other or a Scarlet or a GHX100 or whatever, then you're just hiding behind an excuse.
 
I decided no, get the GH1 NOW make the money you spent on it back and when the 7D is available in a few months get it if it suits your needs. The next day after I got the GH1 I started making my money back.
That right there is the attitude. Look at Kholi -- he hates almost every camera he buys, but he puts 'em to work, makes his money back, sells 'em, and moves on to the next one. And all the time, he's increasing his skills, widening his client base, etc...

Get what you need now. Put it to work. Sell it to upgrade when something better comes along.
 
That right there is the attitude. Look at Kholi -- he hates almost every camera he buys, but he puts 'em to work, makes his money back, sells 'em, and moves on to the next one. And all the time, he's increasing his skills, widening his client base, etc...

Get what you need now. Put it to work. Sell it to upgrade when something better comes along.


LMFAO. =( ... I do hate just about every camera.
 
If done right and maybe a good story who knows how far a film could go, but if I really had the money to make a movie . My first choice would not be a VDSLR. But it could be a fun piece of equipment to make films, music vids, EPKs.

We have seen a lot of good stuff from the D90. I'm sure we will see more from the D300s and the 7D. It is all good.
 
why would anyone make a feature if it wasn't made to be distributed, preferably on the big screen? the whole reason people do it, and even more so the reason people invest in it, is that the film might actually make it. what exactly would be the benefit of *not* dreaming of success? eliminating the risk of failure is a reason only suitable for losers, in my opinion.

Believe me I understand, but I think there are plenty of filmmakers realistic about their shot at the big screen. NEVER THE LESS I was arguing a specific comment saying that shooting on anything less than Red is a waste of time and using the hope of "Big Screens" as the reason. Which I obviously found asinine.
And speaking of distribution there are so many avenues right now thank (whatever) God (u believe in). Film Fests, Private Screenings, Youtube, Vimeo... It's a great time to make films. I don't think what you are shooting on should stop you and the 5Dmkii/7D/GH1 is plenty of ammunition for someone who is a good story teller. Hell I got an award for something done on a $500 consumer cam. Not because I did a good job, but because my friend, who wrote it, had a brilliant idea and dispite my shortcomings (financially, talent, skill, equipment, experience, whatever) the IDEAS STRUCK A CHORD!
If you got it shoot it!!!!!! F--- it use your iPhone if you have to!
 
You are so right Johnny it is a great time to make films. You can buy a camera that just a few years ago people could only dream about. Software to edit films. Audio recorders! Ways to put films on the web. Film fest like the DVXfest.
Anyone who says they can't make a film or a good film till they get a 7D or a D700x with a full frame sensor. Or they can't make a film or a good film till they get a RED shouldn't be making films. Make it with what you got. Put it on youtube Vimeo. Maybe Peter Jackson will see it!!


Believe me I understand, but I think there are plenty of filmmakers realistic about their shot at the big screen. NEVER THE LESS I was arguing a specific comment saying that shooting on anything less than Red is a waste of time and using the hope of "Big Screens" as the reason. Which I obviously found asinine.
And speaking of distribution there are so many avenues right now thank (whatever) God (u believe in). Film Fests, Private Screenings, Youtube, Vimeo... It's a great time to make films. I don't think what you are shooting on should stop you and the 5Dmkii/7D/GH1 is plenty of ammunition for someone who is a good story teller. Hell I got an award for something done on a $500 consumer cam. Not because I did a good job, but because my friend, who wrote it, had a brilliant idea and dispite my shortcomings (financially, talent, skill, equipment, experience, whatever) the IDEAS STRUCK A CHORD!
If you got it shoot it!!!!!! F--- it use your iPhone if you have to!
 
Smooth pans and telephoto shots.No overexposing.Some shots look very nice [...] this one really stands out from all jello overexposed handheld videos.
whatever. you're obviously not listening. you're seriously amazed that somebody was able to put a d90 on a dolly? that's fine i guess, not everyone can be a rocket scientist, but i don't see how it's relevant.
 
Believe me I understand, but I think there are plenty of filmmakers realistic about their shot at the big screen. NEVER THE LESS I was arguing a specific comment saying that shooting on anything less than Red is a waste of time and using the hope of "Big Screens" as the reason.
i know what you're saying too, but if you're aiming for the big screen surely it's not a bad idea to shoot on the best format instead of fooling yourself that the cheapest one is good enough? succesful low budget films shot on dv or similar have pretty much always used the technology to their advantage, by giving it a dirty, diy, documentary look, shooting with a light crew and so on. i think a much more common trap is to think that you can shoot anything on anything. i wouldn't advice anyone who needs "mainstream production value" for their film to shoot on an slr or hdv+adapter. if you have a great screenplay and some money and you're aiming for the big screen the best idea is probably to shoot 35mm.
 
Matt I not arguing any of that, LOL. Maybe I'm not making my arguments clear. Maybe I should go back to sleep and let the rest of you guys circular logic your selves till Scarlet comes out, or another Iguana video surfaces... my head hurts LOL
 
no i get it, but i actually enjoy trying to extract whatever meaning there might be in a statement after its obvious meaning is made, um, obvious. perhaps this is what's caller discussing in circles, i don't know. :)

i tend to use either the most expensive cameras or the cheapest on my stuff because they are the best at what are best at. the scarlet just looks almost as good as a red one and almost as convenient as an slr.
 
whatever. you're obviously not listening. you're seriously amazed that somebody was able to put a d90 on a dolly? that's fine i guess, not everyone can be a rocket scientist, but i don't see how it's relevant.

Im not amazed like "oh WOW !!!" but i really like outcome and i see huge difference between this and 90% of other D90 footage from vimeo.Im not sure what you want to hear ,i like almost every shot from that vid and i dont think even for second that it was shot on D90.It looked clean (even if its only sd res,im not comparing codecs right now but look of takes),like something shot with new film cams or like music video not like regular d90 footage.But as i wrote earlier ,if you have something equal from D90 i really would like to see it .
 
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