Large Hadron Collider

I'm not so sure. The LHC staff clears out the entire track area before running the equipment; engineers on the program have stated that if they lost containment and the particle beam were to strike someone, it would certainly be lethal.
 
Sad Max said:
I'm not so sure. The LHC staff clears out the entire track area before running the equipment; engineers on the program have stated that if they lost containment and the particle beam were to strike someone, it would certainly be lethal.
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Max your correct, I scan read that paragraph wrong, my bad, I should have said:

the energy quivalent of a flying mosquito , not impact as I had said before, oops.

And since that energy is concentrated into a tiny volume, its force per volume is massive.
 
The thing is that this is also supposed to be the strongest accelerator ever, and the speed at which the protons will be traveling when they collide will be the closest to the speed of light we will have tried... what some wonder (and please correct me when I am wrong cause I don't know that much about this) is that particles colliding at the speed of light might do something we've never been able to make happen.. the rules of physics in conditions that extreme are thought not to apply... meaning there are things that happen that we have not yet witnessed and analyzed... hence "anything" could happen... so some are saying well what if you make some of the things we haven't quite figured out yet... like anti matter.. boom! gotta rebuild a huge chunk and pay up like a billion... hehe... ouch... or what if that is how black holes were made? who the F knows the answer to that... they seem to think not... and they seem to be quite confident... Anhar, if you have any knowledge on that please share some...

you know what though... if they did... then how the F do we get rid of it?!? lol... pour some water on it? HAHAHHA!!! my guess is that we'd have to try suspending it in an electromagnetic field and ship it out like Voyager only much faster! If that were even remotely possible... and how fast will it suck up the rest of the world? Is it a function of the mass of the matter turned into one? Does it have mass? It bends light, sure... but we know squat about them really... as far as I know. Would we have time to react? Or "SLURP!" and we are no longer in this dimension? lol... perhaps we come out like mashed potatoes on the other side of the universe? HAHAHA... ouch... well no... well who knows... maybe we just teletransport... maybe it hurts like Shieee... maybe we pop into a weird place with a Yellow Brick Road... HAHAHa

I feel quite safe, but just in case... thanks Jared, Barry, and it was nice knowing all of you... I will miss you... maybe we'll transportable into a single being with a few billion heads... (in which case I won't miss you at all)
 
Even if a black hole was created (small possibility) it would either evaporate quickly or escape into space immediately (as far as I understand it).

Seriously, you known in Texas since 1991, they did plan an EVEN bigger one then CERN (which is about 27KM ish) compare that to the Texas one (The SSC) that was planned at 87KM!

But, particle accelerators are pretty safe (sure CERN is the biggest), in fact next time you watch your TV (CRT that is) thank particle accelerators.
 
USLatin said:
The thing is that this is also supposed to be the strongest accelerator ever, and the speed at which the protons will be traveling when they collide will be the closest to the speed of light we will have tried..
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Again, one of the studies done about the safety of the LHC stated that cosmic rays collide and hit the earth at speeds and energies even greater than those made by the LHC every day, and we have yet to be destroyed--

http://arxiv.org/abs/0806.3414
 
Batutta said:
Again, one of the studies done about the safety of the LHC stated that cosmic rays collide and hit the earth at speeds and energies even greater than those made by the LHC every day, and we have yet to be destroyed--

http://arxiv.org/abs/0806.3414
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The fact that this has to be repeated so frequently, is a sad indication of how lousy basic science education in the USA has become.

And, I guess, how lousy it's become elsewhere, when people from other countries need to hear it too.
 
Hey, sorry for not keeping up with my physics... but what is to say how big a black hole has to be to be able to suck up something... how far it needs to be, and just how fast they decay in function of their mass...

And aren't we now going to be able to accelerate larger amounts of matter than photons? Or what is it that crashes onto the atmosphere? Dust? If so, and it really is traveling even faster than 10km less than the speed of light, then I just wasn't expecting that. Tell me more about that please Sad Max... even if you think I sound like a retard, cause I want to learn.
 
I didn't mean to suggest that you - or anyone else - sound like a retard, if they don't happen to know much by way of basic physics. I was just lamenting the fact that we've let basic education slide so badly, that it's possible to get out of middle school without having been taught this stuff.
 
Well some of this stuff may be based on basic physics but it is specific stuff... and some of us weren't in school when most of these things were proposed or a scant few that were actually observed. Don't get me wrong though, cause I agree with you on the basic physics education being too low... but I am not minding the level of this thread. Most of the stuff that was said that wasn't accurate were only jokes.

But anyway, I just found something that says protons hit the atmosphere after being ejected going at crazy speeds out of the centers of galaxies, which may be out of anything... possibly some real big super nova or maybe from a spinning black hole emitting heat... but it didn't say just how fast they were going, and we are bound to accelerate much higher masses than one proton... who is to say that the results vary with just a little more or a lot more... how much is enough for it to be able to suck any lingering residual lose matter in the vaccum of the accelerator (I assume they are a made that way), or to suck the wall right off the thing... after all we don't know how the rules of physics for that state of matter.

It has been said that before the big bang there was one infinitely dense and heated single blob containing all the mass in the universe... or most of it...? But that at this point the rules of physics were NOT the same... that possibly all of the basic laws of physics merged creating new ones... don't ask me... some mathematician seemed to have proven something suggesting something of the sort.

Again, I am just fine and going about my business... not about to freak here like when they broadcasted "War of the Worlds" on radio. Not about to wire my money to David either. :D
 
If nuclear physics is now considered basic science, then indeed we have missed the boat in the USA.

The part that I find ironic is that the same articles always also say that we are setting up conditions not seen since milliseconds after the big bang. . . so which is it? Does it happen every day or not? I couldn't tell you personally, I was edumicated in the USA.
 
Jockomo said:
The part that I find ironic is that the same articles always also say that we are setting up conditions not seen since milliseconds after the big bang. . . so which is it? Does it happen every day or not?
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The key words are not seen, as in, not seen by humans with instruments that can measure the activity as it happens. These interactions occur all the time in the universe, they just happen so quickly we can't observe them, and we're not looking when they do.
 
Sad Max said:
I was just lamenting the fact that we've let basic education slide so badly, that it's possible to get out of middle school without having been taught this stuff.
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lol. this stuff goes far beyond an introductory physics course. but i do agree with you that the sciences are severely neglected by our schools. :beer:
 
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