Just got a new camera - Sony F35

macgregor said:
Or can you apply the setting globally?
Yes you can, just select them all, and apply the change. :Drogar-Happy(DBG):

I thought you said Prores doesn't record full swing, just studio swing.
Both record the full range, but Prores only SHOWS the limited range in the editing software. The data is there but "hidden". DNxHD is a bit more flexible in this, as it shows the full range in most applications.

Do you know what Arri did in the Alexa to avoid this issue when recording to prores? They just map the whole Arrilog into limited range when you switch the camera to record in the SXs cards. Sure you lose a bit of range in the 10bit, but that way they don't have to deal with the range issue in post and clients complaining.


I found however that the image quality shooting at 1080i50 and 1080i60 with the hyperdeck, is much worse with the avid codec than with prores. At least, I can see compression artifacts on the dnxhd footage compared with the prores file in After effects and Vegas.

This is tricky since different QT codecs decode differently depending on the application...
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Miguel, do you know if Final Cut shows the full range of ProRes clips? I can't seem to find any option that enables or disables it.
 
Grug said:
And the price on it has dropped to $13k now! :shocked:

I came within a bee's d**k of buying it a couple of days ago, I've been tossing and turning and losing sleep over the decision for over a week (none of it made any easier by the tasty footage Miguel's been posting) but an incredible deal on an almost new F3 came up, and for the lighting and support kit I already have - I simply wouldn't be able to get as much out of the F35 as I could from the F3 (with its light weight and tremendous low-light ability), so I've gone with the smaller camera for now.
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You know, I fully understand where you're coming from. The F35 is not for the faint of heart. It's a fully fledged cinema production camera and expects you to treat it as such. It doesn't even have some of the amenities we have come to expect of a larger camera, such as built-in ND filters. Because it expects you will always have a matte box with 4x5.65 filters in front of the lens. It's a camera made for George Lucas rather than for us small folks. :)
The F3, although not my cup of tea at all, is much easier to get the best from with minimal equipment. This is what is holding me back from getting a F35 at the moment.
 
Adamsenoj said:
You know, I fully understand where you're coming from. The F35 is not for the faint of heart. It's a fully fledged cinema production camera and expects you to treat it as such. It doesn't even have some of the amenities we have come to expect of a larger camera, such as built-in ND filters. Because it expects you will always have a matte box with 4x5.65 filters in front of the lens. It's a camera made for George Lucas rather than for us small folks. :)
The F3, although not my cup of tea at all, is much easier to get the best from with minimal equipment. This is what is holding me back from getting a F35 at the moment.
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Honestly Adam, when the F35 was still at a 'lofty' $13k I'd (as my purchasing decision obviously shows) agree with you. But at $8.5k? You have the extra money for a heavier duty tripod. It wouldn't have been much of a contest to my mind if that price had been a reality when I bought mine. Especially now that you can rig up an F35 in such a comparatively lightweight setup (pared back it's actually not that much heavier than an F3 frakenrigged to usability levels).

macgregor said:
Did tou guys see the body i put for sale? Forget about the F3 :)
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Had I known 3 months ago when I bought my F3, that I'd be able to get an F35 for $8500 in three months time. There wouldn't have been any umming or ahhing or lost sleep. I'd have myself a nice plump F35 right now.

Oh well. Can't really complain with what I've ended up with.
 
Grug said:
Honestly Adam, when the F35 was still at a 'lofty' $13k I'd (as my purchasing decision obviously shows) agree with you. But at $8.5k? You have the extra money for a heavier duty tripod. It wouldn't have been much of a contest to my mind if that price had been a reality when I bought mine. Especially now that you can rig up an F35 in such a comparatively lightweight setup (pared back it's actually not that much heavier than an F3 frakenrigged to usability levels).
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Sure. But it's not only a tripod or accessories, to which I already have pretty much everything, including an O'Connor that supports 50Lbs. It's that the camera was designed to be shot in a totally different way than a F3 or AF100 for example. I didn't say it was a huge deal. I'm saying that it's got me pondering. It's not something you should just pull the trigger without thinking. Swapping a FS700 for a F3 for example it's pretty much the same thing. You are just getting better quality. The F35 comes with a couple of strings attached and it needs to be considered. It's not only equipment, although I would have to upgrade both my jib head and steadicam, but it's also the way you shoot, the crew size, the extra needs and so on. That level of quality comes with strings attached. Like the folks who bought the BT RED ONEs and thought they were really getting a prosumer camera and that $4,000 would be even near the final price of a shooting package.
 
Beaides a built in lcd and nds how is the f3 easier to shootthan a f35 recording to a hyperdck?
Actually what i like about the f35 is how simple it is to use. No menus. Just a lightmeter and done.
 
bgundu said:
Who's going to get the F65????

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-F65-Ci...rofessional_Video_Cameras&hash=item2326f85b57
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It sold for basically half the price. Although not as much of a drop as the F35, the F65 is much newer. Still, I would be very nervous to invest in any cameras costing over $10k nowadays unless I was a rental house. I would definitely hesitate to drop money on a F55 and probably even F5. Things are changing so fast.

There's another F65 with recorder going for $20k right now.
 
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Adamsenoj said:
It sold for basically half the price. Although not as much of a drop as the F35, the F65 is much newer. Still, I would be very nervous to invest in any cameras costing over $10k nowadays unless I was a rental house. I would definitely hesitate to drop money on a F55 and probably even F5. Things are changing so fast.

There's another F65 with recorder going for $20k right now.
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it's just crazy isn't it? I wonder how much of the crazy undervalued camera market at the moment has to do with the whole progress-of-technology thing, and how much is just the rough economic conditions and people getting in over their heads with purchases?
 
Grug said:
it's just crazy isn't it? I wonder how much of the crazy undervalued camera market at the moment has to do with the whole progress-of-technology thing, and how much is just the rough economic conditions and people getting in over their heads with purchases?
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Hard to say. But it's definitely not only the high-end cameras. The F3 is also going for a bargain these days. I have seen some going for $5-6K. Considering it cost around $13K when new, it's a good bargain and considerable price drop. It's much newer than the F35. The FS100 is also dirty cheap in the used market as is the AF100.
Interestingly though, the FS700 seems to be holding it's value better. I wonder if it's the fact it's the cheapest decent super slomo camera out there?

Back to high-end cameras, the Sony 9000PL is also going for a bargain. I saw some for around $9-10k. Keep in mind that although it sounds higher than the F35, the price for the F35 we are seeing is only for the camera. The 9000PL has a HDCAM SR recorder (built in type). It's a good bargain considering it's pretty much the very same camera as the F35 (same sensor and electronics), just stuffed in a self-contained shoulder mount broadcast style body, and a PL mount. New it cost $70K and Sony promotes it as a B-camera for the F35. They get you the very same image quality. The advantage over the F35 is that it's read to shoot handheld without any additional rig. Even if you don't use the HDCAM SR deck, you can still attach a Hyperdeck Shuttle and get the same you would from a F35. For those that walk between the worlds of broadcast/corporate and filmmaking, it's arguably a better choice than the F35.
 
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