...or D) All of the Above
Most of the time, there's a distinct difference:
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...or D) All of the Above
Too true.:beer:Most of the time, there's a distinct difference:
Too true.:beer:
But, then again...
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you see, you just made the choice to be entirely offensive in your response, my post had no attack in it, it was a simple honest question, and you chose to not behave yourself.
let's look at this JPEG you brought up as your proof that pseudonyms are better for forums... first off, they characterize the pseudonyms as a pirate, a robot dinosaur, and wonderwoman(that's credibility?).... i can only imagine at that point this jpeg was designed for children, which i could understand, because someone young enough should NOT have their real name on the net.
this jpeg promoting pseudonyms is pushing that because they feel that giving yourself a character, a personality to hide behind, makes you more confident in your posting abilities.... ok, well... this is a professional forum full of crew people... on set do you introduce yourself as oldcorpse and refuse to tell people your real name because it will reduce your confidence in doing your job?
and then this 'data' that they use to 'prove' that pseudonyms are better for the community... their data shows that there's a whole 10% difference in positive signals from real name posters to pseudonym posters, but wait a second, positive posts aren't the problem were talking about here, it's the negative posts that get in the way of the positive posts, and look at that, the pseudonym and anonymous posters have each 2% more negative posts than real name people, because they don't behave themselves when hiding behind their robot dinosaurs.
and wait, it gets better, because we have to group anonymous posters with pseudonym posters as well!(unless you seriously want to suggest that we all be pirates and wonderwomen) and between those two we have an average of 47.5% positive posts.... less than the 51% for real name positive posts. so you see, just because they put big flashy text saying real names bad, pseudonyms good, and make pseudonyms green in the chart and real names red, doesn't mean that they're not reading their own data wrong.
you could argue that means that proves that forcing real names won't change anything but that 2% of negative posts. well... two reasons why not: first, because those numbers they are averaging within each subset, not the total 100% of the community, and secondly, because as we can see, there are vastly more pseudonym/anonymous posters(they are, after all, pushing everyone in that direction), so their 11% of negative posts is a vastly larger number than the real names 9% because of the larger sample size. Meaning that if everyone switched to real names, according to that jpeg of yours, we would see a possibly exponential decrease of negative results.
and number of posts per person is another story, because more posts does not mean better, as we have been discussing here as well.(and isn't it just a tad bit odd to you that both of their results for pseudonym posters cam out to 61%?)
See how easy that was? did i attack you outright? no. did i explain something with clarity? i think so. do you have to agree with me? of course not. should you behave yourself so that we don't ask you to come out from hiding behind that oldcorpse? i would hope you think yes.
cheerios,
less clicky now that I use touch screens ...
Too true.:beer:
But, then again...
To continue this thread, everyone is reminded that continued sniping between individuals directed at other individuals will not be permitted.
Keep it non personal, objective, and to the point.
We are not talking about each other, but about the original inquiry.
Thank you.
How conniving of you. Bad Terry. Trying to hide behind an underscore. Tsk Tsk.In real life, my name doesn't contain an underscore.
We do like to at least try to keep threads productive here, and if a thread starts to lose it's hope of being useful/productive b/c of some emotional reply, or a "tough love" one being taken personally, etc, then we owe it to the people who actually give a s**t about the discussion to try to keep it trimmed and moving in a useful direction.
Yeah... It's a tough business, and that is one of the first lessons that needs to be learned. There is a lot of failure, and people don't mince words, etc, etc. you can tell someone that... "if you want to go into this business, be prepared for failure. A lot of it. The success rate is very low. Be prepared to get turned down for 99 jobs before you land the first one. If you land the first one. Be prepared to be made to feel tiny." or, whatever. Be prepared to suck. I don't need to tell them they suck to provide that info. I don't need to be that example. it ain't my place... unless you are asking me for a job. Then, I can say, "no", or "no, you suck" without offering an explanation.
this forum is not "the business". It's not a representation of the real world. It's not a place for people with low self-esteem to practice being the big wig studio-exec. It is meant as an educational resource, and a place to encourage people to actually DO, and let them worry about their own life choices/realizations. It ain't dvxuser's place to discourage someone by telling them they should give up. It's their life, and dvxuser is not their boss, or their daddy. At the end of the day, everyone has to figure out that kind of stuff on their own. Potential employers are there to hire. Their job is to say yes, or no, and not have to give reasons why. ("you suck... next.") DVXuser is a place to learn and teach. our job is to try to help folks get better, find work, practice, provide information, knowledge to anyone willing to take it. To help them get told, "yes". And, to provide that resource for free.
As people in the business, or who want to be in the business, dvxuser doesn't need to mirror the "real world". Personally, if someone here only has the goal of tearing people down without attempting to help them improve, this probably ain't the place for them. They should go start "tough love.com". We don't need to be an internet extension of it, here. We can all go out and get our hard knocks every day pounding pavement trying to land a gig or whatever... Here, we support each other, and have a place to consume and offer information, and benefit from others experience. Not just absorb more one-liner opinions. Doesn't mean it is all roses, and only "positive comments"...
Just means, hopefully, that more people choose the route of offering actual information, rather than just opinion, when they chose to contribute to a discussion... And, that people are more selective about what discussions they choose to contribute to in the first place. Seems to me, an empty thread teaches a pretty clear lesson.
This website is not the school of hard knocks. That said... this is a free resource. Quality, type, personality, and depth of opinions and information expressed within will vary. And, everyone should be able to take or leave any of it if you ask for it... And, if you post it on a public space, you ask for it. So, be able to take it all, and not let it get personal.
Some people will take the time to tell you they thought it sucked.... or, more, that they think you suck. Others will take the time to give you 20 ways you can actually try to improve upon it. The latter is the goal here. Again, this is *meant* to be a classroom. Where people can actually learn about the craft and the tools. Learn how to improve their work. Learn from the experience of the board. Network. Collaborate. Not just come to be told they suck and should quit.
Newbies could definitely benefit from approaching these boards with more humility. The "old dudes" could learn to lead a little more by example. Otherwise, they just reinforce the bad attitudes of newbies, while also teaching them nothing about how to be a proper contributor to this community. So, we end up with a bunch of arrogant, know-it-all-know-nothings. Not what I aspire dvxuser to be.
this is the proper way to make fun of someone's grammar/spelling on the internet
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p.s. the search here is broken. Not everything is indexed. We have a lot of posts, and when we moved to vb4, they all had to be re-indexed. I only got some of them done. Will have to turn off the board for several hours every night for a couple of weeks probably, to get everything indexed... Either that, or bring it down for probably 2 full days minimum, in order to index every single post on this forum into the search engine. Then it will be better. In the meantime, google search is goodWill put search indexing finally getting done on the list for February. So expect some slow, or down time then.
We do like to at least try to keep threads productive here, and if a thread starts to lose it's hope of being useful/productive b/c of some emotional reply, or a "tough love" one being taken personally, etc, then we owe it to the people who actually give a s**t about the discussion to try to keep it trimmed and moving in a useful direction.
Yeah... It's a tough business, and that is one of the first lessons that needs to be learned. There is a lot of failure, and people don't mince words, etc, etc. you can tell someone that... "if you want to go into this business, be prepared for failure. A lot of it. The success rate is very low. Be prepared to get turned down for 99 jobs before you land the first one. If you land the first one. Be prepared to be made to feel tiny." or, whatever. Be prepared to suck. I don't need to tell them they suck to provide that info. I don't need to be that example. it ain't my place... unless you are asking me for a job. Then, I can say, "no", or "no, you suck" without offering an explanation.
this forum is not "the business". It's not a representation of the real world. It's not a place for people with low self-esteem to practice being the big wig studio-exec. It is meant as an educational resource, and a place to encourage people to actually DO, and let them worry about their own life choices/realizations. It ain't dvxuser's place to discourage someone by telling them they should give up. It's their life, and dvxuser is not their boss, or their daddy. At the end of the day, everyone has to figure out that kind of stuff on their own. Potential employers are there to hire. Their job is to say yes, or no, and not have to give reasons why. ("you suck... next.") DVXuser is a place to learn and teach. our job is to try to help folks get better, find work, practice, provide information, knowledge to anyone willing to take it. To help them get told, "yes". And, to provide that resource for free.
As people in the business, or who want to be in the business, dvxuser doesn't need to mirror the "real world". Personally, if someone here only has the goal of tearing people down without attempting to help them improve, this probably ain't the place for them. They should go start "tough love.com". We don't need to be an internet extension of it, here. We can all go out and get our hard knocks every day pounding pavement trying to land a gig or whatever... Here, we support each other, and have a place to consume and offer information, and benefit from others experience. Not just absorb more one-liner opinions. Doesn't mean it is all roses, and only "positive comments"...
Just means, hopefully, that more people choose the route of offering actual information, rather than just opinion, when they chose to contribute to a discussion... And, that people are more selective about what discussions they choose to contribute to in the first place. Seems to me, an empty thread teaches a pretty clear lesson.
This website is not the school of hard knocks. That said... this is a free resource. Quality, type, personality, and depth of opinions and information expressed within will vary. And, everyone should be able to take or leave any of it if you ask for it... And, if you post it on a public space, you ask for it. So, be able to take it all, and not let it get personal.
Some people will take the time to tell you they thought it sucked.... or, more, that they think you suck. Others will take the time to give you 20 ways you can actually try to improve upon it. The latter is the goal here. Again, this is *meant* to be a classroom. Where people can actually learn about the craft and the tools. Learn how to improve their work. Learn from the experience of the board. Network. Collaborate. Not just come to be told they suck and should quit.
Newbies could definitely benefit from approaching these boards with more humility. The "old dudes" could learn to lead a little more by example. Otherwise, they just reinforce the bad attitudes of newbies, while also teaching them nothing about how to be a proper contributor to this community. So, we end up with a bunch of arrogant, know-it-all-know-nothings. Not what I aspire dvxuser to be.
this is the proper way to make fun of someone's grammar/spelling on the internet
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p.s. the search here is broken. Not everything is indexed. We have a lot of posts, and when we moved to vb4, they all had to be re-indexed. I only got some of them done. Will have to turn off the board for several hours every night for a couple of weeks probably, to get everything indexed... Either that, or bring it down for probably 2 full days minimum, in order to index every single post on this forum into the search engine. Then it will be better. In the meantime, google search is goodWill put search indexing finally getting done on the list for February. So expect some slow, or down time then.