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Jaimebailon

Jaimebailon

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ok so i am shooting a 3 minutes short this weekend with lots of dialogue and am renting some microphones will this get the job done

Audio Technica 815st


and for a lav: Azden 200ult


also should i record straight to camera or should i use a recorder?
 
I'm not familiar with those mics, so I can't speak on that issue.

Recording audio to camera will be easier to edit. Recording audio separately may allow more camera freedom. Decide which is more important for this shoot.
 
Jaimebailon said:
ok so i am shooting a 3 minutes short this weekend with lots of dialogue and am renting some microphones will this get the job done

Audio Technica 815st


and for a lav: Azden 200ult


also should i record straight to camera or should i use a recorder?
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The AT-815st is, as indicated by the "st," a stereo mic, and is thus not the first or best choice by far for dialog. Recording dialog in stereo is going to cause you headaches in post, since it's mixed to mono (center) in the end anyway. Get a monaural (single element) shotgun.

And Azden does not get glowing reviews for a reason.

Check around the audio forum here... lots of great info on basic audio kits. A separate recorder would be good if you have the crew person to manage it, but double-system sound is not for the skeleton-crewed production due to the need for thorough shot logging in the field, and diligence for slating each take.
 
C2V said:
The AT-815st is, as indicated by the "st," a stereo mic, and is thus not the first or best choice by far for dialog. Recording dialog in stereo is going to cause you headaches in post, since it's mixed to mono (center) in the end anyway. Get a monaural (single element) shotgun.

And Azden does not get glowing reviews for a reason.

Check around the audio forum here... lots of great info on basic audio kits. A separate recorder would be good if you have the crew person to manage it, but double-system sound is not for the skeleton-crewed production due to the need for thorough shot logging in the field, and diligence for slating each take.
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ok yeah i only have a crew of 5 so we are skipping the recorder
as for the shotgun im using a senheisser 416 and for the lav using a lectrosonic 190 combo kit
 
Along these same lines, I have a job where I need to record come voice-overs in the studio (not into the camera) and bring them into Final Cut Pro as audio files. What type of file is the best to save the audio in. I need to tell the sound engineer what type of files to give me for FCP? Thanks.
 
You can almost never go wrong with wave files (wav) because they are universally accepted. It's usually best to record at 48K sampling rate so there is no need to convert to another rate. Final cut will take it with no problems.
 
Jaimebailon said:
ok yeah i only have a crew of 5 so we are skipping the recorder
as for the shotgun im using a senheisser 416 and for the lav using a lectrosonic 190 combo kit
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Much better mic selection.

A crew of 5 isn't terrible. If one of them is a dedicated mixer/recordist, and will be responsible only for the audio, then you might still consider double-system sound. But if you don't have a dedicated mixer, and everyone will be running around doing everything, then go straight to camera.

Are you renting a small field mixer for these two mics?
 
C2V said:
Much better mic selection.

A crew of 5 isn't terrible. If one of them is a dedicated mixer/recordist, and will be responsible only for the audio, then you might still consider double-system sound. But if you don't have a dedicated mixer, and everyone will be running around doing everything, then go straight to camera.

Are you renting a small field mixer for these two mics?
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i really should shouldn't i? this is a list of the mixers they have available for rent that what would you recomend?

BeachTek 2-Channel (Hot-Shoe Mountable)
Cooper CS-104 4-Channel
PSC M-3 3-Channel
PSC M-4 4-Channel
Shure FP-24 2-Channel
Shure FP-33 3-Channel
Sound Devices Mix Pre
Sound Devices 302 3-Channel
Sound Devices 442 4-Channel
Wendt X-3 3-Channel

i also have a few questions how would the mixer plug into the camera would it be through the xlr cables then i would plug the microphones into the mixer? and also my post production sound mixer was concerned about the lav and shotgun being their own seperate audio tracks i know this can be done if you connect them straight into camera but would this change with a mixer wouldnt it make the output stereo? im only asking this because my post production mixer is much more skilled than my field sound person.
 
To keep it simple, since you have only two microphones, go with the MixPre. It's 2 in, 2 out. You'll plug each mic into one of the inputs (shotgun into input 1, wireless receiver into input 2) of the MixPre.

Be sure to set the proper power for the 416 on its input, and check with the rental house on whether the 416 is a phantom-powered version or a T-powered version. Mismatching the power supply can fry the mic.

Above the level control for each input, you'll see a three-position switch (L C R). Set the shotgun to L and the lav to R and you now have a split output. Connect the L and R outs of the mixer to the inputs of the camera, and you are now recording the mics to separate channels. If at any time you have a setup where you use only one of the mics, turn the other one all the way down and set the active one to C (center) so that it records to both channels on the camera.

Be sure that you have the MixPre's outputs set to line, and the camera's inputs set to line. You'll also want an ENG snake (two XLR sends and one headphone return) to simplify mixer-to-camera connection. That provides you with a headphone return so that your mixer can listen off the camera, which is crucial.
 
well if this was for the insomnia film festival it doesn't matter now cuz it is cancelled and will be rescheduled in a couple months.......... sadface
 
thetvirus513 said:
well if this was for the insomnia film festival it doesn't matter now cuz it is cancelled and will be rescheduled in a couple months.......... sadface
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what the heck are you serious??!?!?

omg i put a deposit down for this equipment this makes me very angry but for some reason i am relieved i was unprepaired on several accounts but still very angry
 
Ya I didnt put any money into it but i did put a bunch of time planning, renting equipment (free from my school however) finding actors and locations, the frustrations of having actors drop out, getting crew positions nailed down, and now I will have to do it all over again in a couple months. Despite the fact that some people were unable to register, whenever I went on things eventually worked, so I find this very frustrating as well.
 
Jaimebailon said:
what the heck are you serious??!?!?

omg i put a deposit down for this equipment this makes me very angry but for some reason i am relieved i was unprepaired on several accounts but still very angry
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Maybe you should shoot something anyway? Might be good practice, if you have to pay for the gear still?


Also, I just wanted to SECOND the advice to listen to the audio off the camera with an ENG cable or headphone extension. VERY important. I didn't do this several times and always regretted it.
 
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