Is Canon planning to release a competitor for the AF-100???

sewolla said:
Canon's place will be secure in the market as long as they offer a "Full Frame" camera like the 5D MKII at that price point.
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Strange how the still camera 'Full Frame' is what is always thrown about. I come from cinema cameras (Arri 435's, 535's and Panavision's) where 'Full Frame' 35 is smaller - 22mm wide and I think the Af's sensor is 19mm wide.

So all this talk of crop factor is BS to me, why confuse a (small format) still photo mentality with a moving picture reality?

G.
 
FoodDude said:
Canon and Panasonic are bigger manufacturers in the video camera/camcorder (Canon & Sony probably second to popularity to Pana, but Canon & Pana re the ones with the big sensors.)

So, will Canon release a camcorder with a large sensor (4/3, apsc crop, full frame) in relatively the same price bracket as the AF100?

That would really be some great competition. The AF100 is the first to implement big DSLR sensor in a video camera, maybe taking over all other 2/3" cameras and making them obsolete. Shouldn't Canon follow in their footsteps and implement bigger sensors in their video cameras as well.

So long to the 2/3" camcorders.
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If you go by Canon's way of doing things from past actions, it will be years. It took them 5 years to do what the HVX200 did in 2005. Canon is very slow to develop and move fast on things. Panasonic is much faster and is very innovative- beyond Canon in the video aspect. Even the GH1 is better in many ways; which should be the reverse since Canon is the DSLR leader, however Panasonic made the GH1 pretty damn good, and with the hack, it's killer. The AF100 is gonna be a good product for Panasonic, and is gonna be good for the whole market- hopefully Canon will learn to respond faster, just don't hold your breath...
 
heavyG said:
Strange how the still camera 'Full Frame' is what is always thrown about. I come from cinema cameras (Arri 435's, 535's and Panavision's) where 'Full Frame' 35 is smaller - 22mm wide and I think the Af's sensor is 19mm wide.

So all this talk of crop factor is BS to me, why confuse a (small format) still photo mentality with a moving picture reality?

G.
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Good point. The sweet spot range for practical general motion production falls from 2/3"/16mm size to S35/APSC size IMO.
 
Dan_Kanes said:
David G. Smith said:
One thing we know for sure is that Canon is doing some very significant development in digital imaging technology. They have recently introduced a 120 megapixel chip and showed a 4k resolution, working concept camera, that shoots 4k images at 60fps off of a 2/3" chip. /QUOTE]

You do realize that many commonly available Machine Vision systems feature just such an imaging chip, doing just such imaging?

You also realize that the "Camera" canon had on display was merely a prop? By that, I mean it was a plastic concept model, housing a 2/3" 4K machine vision sensor feeding a signal down into a magic wizard of Oz box below the display that was actually doing all the image processing?

A High Resolution (4k+) sensor is nothing new.
The ability to record 4k of image data is nothing new.
The ability to process and store (Raw, or otherwise compressed) 4k of image data in a palmcorder sized device has not been achieved here, and is really the missing link in a 4K handycam concept - this is the hard part, and no amount of smoke and mirrors from canon can Hide that it's not an easy task to pull off.
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Yes, the high rez chip is probably going to be used in satellite imaging from what I have read, and the concept camera was a mock up. However, where have we seen mock up cameras cause fan boy swooning all over the internet....hmmmmmm? I just think that writing off Canon, who just made such a big splash over the past two years, is a little premature.
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David, I understand where you're coming from, I just don't share the same optimism. I would bet that we will not see any Canon large-sensor professional video camera for at least two years. History (and their own spokesmen) just point to it not happening.

So, here's the bet, open to at most fifty takers: I'll bet $20 that Canon will not release, for sale, actually purchasable on the market, an AF100 competitor (meaning a professional video camera with XLR inputs from their pro video division, as in the XHA1/XLH1 series) before January 1, 2013. If I am correct, then on January 1st 2013, everyone who takes this bet must send $20 to Isara. If I'm wrong, and you are able to actually walk into B&H and walk out with a Canon M43-or-larger-sensored pro camera prior to January 1, 2013, then I have to send $20 to Isara, for each and every person who takes the bet (up to a maximum of 50).

Any takers? Who wants to put their money on the line and say that Canon will deliver for retail sale, a large-sensor pro video camera in 2010, 2011, or 2012?
 
I'll take that bet.

Not because I think Canon will do it, but because $20 to Isara is $20 well spent, regardless whether it's your twenty or my twenty. :D
 
Stephen Mick said:
I'll take that bet. Not because I think Canon will do it, but because $20 to Isara is $20 well spent, regardless whether it's your twenty or my twenty. :D
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I'm in, too.

Frankly, I hope Canon _does_ ship a similarly-configured camera to compete with the AF100 by 1/1/13, because that would be great news.

I just don't think it'll happen, unfortunately. And as Stephen says, Barry's bet works out great either way.
 
I'll take the bet also. I think we will know details by NAB 2012 and have delivery by the end of that year, and like Stephen said, It is $20 well spent.

Ok, it is official, I put in my Outlook calendar!

And to clarify, I don't have to buy one, I just have to be able to... and HD-DSLR advances don't count.
 
1DsMkIV.

The Radical 1Ds Mark IV [CR1]

So what’s going on?
I have received some cryptic information from a good guy about the 1Ds Mark IV or whatever it’ll be called.

We have already stated the new camera wouldn’t be around for Photokina and would be released in 2011. With each passing day, I’m believing that more and more.

So what’s so radical?


I’m told to take a look at the 4K camera for clues.
Don’t disregard the large sensor Canon showed off. Obviously it wouldn’t be that big, but there is something radical about the 1Ds4 sensor.
The word “Modular” came up.
That’s all I have for now.
 
mcgeedigital said:
1DsMkIV.

The Radical 1Ds Mark IV [CR1]

So what’s going on?
I have received some cryptic information from a good guy about the 1Ds Mark IV or whatever it’ll be called.

We have already stated the new camera wouldn’t be around for Photokina and would be released in 2011. With each passing day, I’m believing that more and more.

So what’s so radical?


I’m told to take a look at the 4K camera for clues.
Don’t disregard the large sensor Canon showed off. Obviously it wouldn’t be that big, but there is something radical about the 1Ds4 sensor.
The word “Modular” came up.
That’s all I have for now.
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With the AF100 being a true pro video-camera marketed towards video-heads, and the Canon 1Ds being a true pro DSLR still-camera marketed mostly to still-photogs and with the recent HDSLR craze, video-heads as well now,, do you people think that the release of the AF100 and its' features (although being strictly only a video-camera) has any major or significant impact on the design and features of the upcoming 1Ds (and/or the 5D3)?

I think this is a good question, as the AF100 and 1Ds are completely different cameras with the only similarity maybe being it shoots video and relatively in the same price bracket (give or take a few thousand dollars).

The 1Ds might have to up the AF100 if Canon tries to steal away some video-heads IF they are marketing it towards video heads too, since 1Ds will most likely cost a few grand more than the AF100 (I think the prices of 1Ds releases are in the $8k range).

Now if one was primarily a video-shooter and interested in a camera with a big sensor (4/3 or bigger), why would he/she want to get an $8k HDSLR with so many missing bits & features that an AF100 will have out the box?? I think the answer to that is whatever Canon has brewing for the new 1ds4....either something really spectacular, or nothing special at all and an HDSLR plateau and bubble burst..

It's gonna be hard to beat the AF100's features. Especially for $8k. No ones gonna buy it.
 
I kinda doubt Canon will release an APS-C pro video/filmmaker camera unless the AF100 is so darn successful (could be, who knows?) that it literally forces them to just have to do it or lose massive amounts of customers. If that were the case, then I wouldn't be surprised to see something like Canon's answer to the AF100 announced in late 2011, and maybe shipping in early to mid 2012.

The other possibility, and the one I think is more probable, is that the AF100 will force Canon to up their game on their future DSLR cams in terms of the video modes. This is a good thing. As even for those who want to buy an AF100, the notion of being able to buy a much lower cost but really effective HD Canon DSLR would be a great option to have for a b-cam. As it stands now, I would wager that those who purchase an AF100 will not use their current video-DSLR's much in conjunction with the AF100. Maybe only for crash cams or for those odd shots where the AF100 is just too big (like if you need a shot from inside a mail box or from inside some small and cramped space).

Canon has just released their XF300 line, and has just announced their XF100 line. I doubt they'll suddenly throw a totally new pro HD video camera out into the market for a while now.
 
No bet Barry! - Canon will continue to protect their high cameras while trying to totally dominate the DSLR market.

If the Mark III (whatever it's called) has RAW and a few other bells and whistles, that will content most people who like the form factor - it will for me in any case.

But I doubt even that camera will be out before another year has passed (and that seems to be what most of the reps I've talked to say as well). No, I think Panny has a winner and will straight up dominate the non-DSLR buying market.

The more I find out the AF100, the more I think this camera just sinks RED for most lower end buyers. Will the new REDs eventually come out and be wonderful cameras? No doubt. But it will also be a specialized, high end camera used (I'm guessing) primarily on high end commercial shoots. And I'm not sure that's what the battle plan was two years ago.

Bottom line is that competition is good for us consumers... but no bet Barry.
 
jdv said:
No bet Barry! - Canon will continue to protect their high cameras while trying to totally dominate the DSLR market.

If the Mark III (whatever it's called) has RAW and a few other bells and whistles, that will content most people who like the form factor - it will for me in any case.

But I doubt even that camera will be out before another year has passed (and that seems to be what most of the reps I've talked to say as well). No, I think Panny has a winner and will straight up dominate the non-DSLR buying market.

The more I find out the AF100, the more I think this camera just sinks RED for most lower end buyers. Will the new REDs eventually come out and be wonderful cameras? No doubt. But it will also be a specialized, high end camera used (I'm guessing) primarily on high end commercial shoots. And I'm not sure that's what the battle plan was two years ago.

Bottom line is that competition is good for us consumers... but no bet Barry.
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I think the Arri Alexa will be the go to camera for high end work for a good time to come. I don't know where the heck the Red Epic is going to fit in. Maybe a lot of boutique shops, owner/operator types, will take out a second mortgage and get one, but we will see.
 
The argument may go - Canon don't need to. They've just released a 1/3" camera that meets BBC approval. Now I couldn't care less but the guys over at DvDoctor think this is more relevant, old codec and all, it meets specification.

Go figure.
 
david g. Smith said:
i think the arri alexa will be the go to camera for high end work for a good time to come. I don't know where the heck the red epic is going to fit in. Maybe a lot of boutique shops, owner/operator types, will take out a second mortgage and get one, but we will see.
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highly agreed!!!
 
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