Darren Levine
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now there ya went and blew what i was saying way out of proportion. making this an all out comparison of joes vs pros? now that's silly
C100: Iphone 5S will shoots 120fps@720, but my $6000 "Cinema" camera does not....
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now there ya went and blew what i was saying way out of proportion. making this an all out comparison of joes vs pros? now that's silly
Erik Naso
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The GH3 dos 60fps very well, but I get a lot of dropped calls with it.canon may surprise us and gives us yet 50P,in AVCHD.Besides C100 I have a GH3 is doing good 1920X1080 50P
dmitrizigany
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No 60p is what removed the C100 from my considerations for my next camera and I'm instead looking at a FS100 (or hopefully a FS700). With 60p you can use twixtor or something and have decent 120fps if needed.
And for the argument that "If 120fps is needed I just rent a camera", well, I usually don't have the margins to do that. And I think it will become increasingly difficult to convince clients that they have to pay €200 extra per day to do something their iPhone can do.
And for the argument that "If 120fps is needed I just rent a camera", well, I usually don't have the margins to do that. And I think it will become increasingly difficult to convince clients that they have to pay €200 extra per day to do something their iPhone can do.
Curnsie
Well-known member
Exactly! Where's the email function on my C100?! Or the ability to post videos to social networks?? Come on Canon!!
Curnsie
Well-known member
Seriously?? I hope client's doesn't need convinced that an iPhone is on a par with a C100 or any camera in this price range.
William_Robinette
Shallow Member
High speed is the new shallow DoF.
Erik Naso
Veteran
The FS100 is a step backwards. No internal ND. No thanks. If you really need over-cranking get the FS700.
Adam J McKay
Veteran
If you don't like it, don't buy it. Problem solved.
slidemaster
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Agreed, one of the beautiful things about the C100 is its form factor and ability for one person to really capture quality images. If I need 720p overcrank I'll wip out the old HPX170
It's the only other option under $8k. It's what I did. I wish Canon would've put 60P in the cam from the beginning I would've kept it. Oh well. I've moved on personally. It was a fun camera to shoot with.
bclighting
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Don't give away things for free!!!! If clients want high speed they need to understand that it costs money. If they can't grasp that concept then honestly they are not a client that I would want.
Someone who is going to compare a professional camera to an Iphone deserves the crap that the iphone delivers.
Someone who is going to compare a professional camera to an Iphone deserves the crap that the iphone delivers.
morgan_moore
Major Contributor
Hmm. You dont want your client grabbing a shot on the iphone and suggesting it is 'cooler' that your shot (cool is not a tech spec it is just cool and slomo is cool (this week))
I think us 'pros' have to keep a sharp eye on what is out there in consumer world - like the gopro for example is almost a 'must have'
Personally I really like the C100 and would swap it for my FS100 in a shot (at no cost to me) but the canon price/spec has never added up for me
In general I guess cameras have 'engines' and the manufacturers are not fully enabling them through over traditional software.
For example all pro cameras should IMO have crop modes, high FPS burst, whatever that engine can deliver the manufacs should make it available to their customers or someone will come along who does. The FS700 is a good example of this, whatever other limitations the camera has (ergonomics etc.)
C300 vs F5 - no contest to me as the C300 is too closed.
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morgan_moore
Major Contributor
Maybe. If we are in the business of showing people stuff, well some fast stuff is more visible in Slomo.
narrow dof does isolate the subject slo mo also helps communicate the right activity
we are in the business of helping people see stuff and we forget that at our peril
narrow dof does isolate the subject slo mo also helps communicate the right activity
we are in the business of helping people see stuff and we forget that at our peril
dmitrizigany
Veteran
That is the argument or at least question I raised in my post about the iPhone:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?313346-New-iPhone-5S-shoots-120fps
In a way it would be good if slomo would be seen as something cheap and cheesy because everyone does it cause then I could get a C100 or FS100 instead of a FS700 and save me some money
greenheron
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We had a commercial shoot with a Canon C300, but the spot called for some very slow motion shots so we rented a Sony FS700 and shot at 120fps and 240fps and it worked great. We also did some test with the FS700 and compared the same shots with the C300 and we preferred the look from the C300. Now maybe there was a way to tweek more out of the FS700 but just straight up the C300 had a nicer image quality. BTW we did have some golf shots and the FS700 pulled the shot off very well.
Fluoro
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What a contradictory sentence. If the C100 was 9k I would understand your sentiments but it's really only a little bit more expensive than the FS100. When you simply consider the NDs and better dynamic range the price difference is worth every cent.
I think most of you got brainwashed by Canon
You do want more features on your C100/300 do you ?
I know it does our jobs well, Slo motion isnt a necessary tool, but I do not understanding why you are defending for Canon about for keeping less features in a camera.
Dont misunderstand our complains, we complain only because we want more, not we hate Canon. Small details lead to perfection, thats the basic rule of Cinematography
You do want more features on your C100/300 do you ?
I know it does our jobs well, Slo motion isnt a necessary tool, but I do not understanding why you are defending for Canon about for keeping less features in a camera.
Dont misunderstand our complains, we complain only because we want more, not we hate Canon. Small details lead to perfection, thats the basic rule of Cinematography
dustylense
Veteran
Let me ask you first. Have you ever shot with and produced anything with either the Canon C300 or C100? If not, then you really don't understand why the owners of the C100 aren't really worried about what the FS700 has or how many FPS a cell phone has.
When you finish a project with a C100 and look back at how the camera works in your hands and the image it produces, one then fully understands why the camera is just what it says and does. It delivers. And for $5500 it's packed with everything you need to shoot just about anything in any type of light. And when people first drop the 60i into their 24p or 30p timeline to get slow motion they say to themselves, "Hey, that looks really good". The idea of the camera was the leap from HDslr shooting into a proper video camera with a high degree of image. I would say that Canon knocked it out of the park in the execution of the camera.
If you want more, then spend more money on the camera that you think you want. I've worked with the FS100. THe FS100/700 are fine cameras, but the ergonomics are just ridiculous. I've owned the BMC. Great camera but I can deal with the moire. I've owned the AF100. Great camera that is packed with features for the price. The C100 gave me balance between all the above mentioned cameras. It really is a joy to work with. It becomes and extension to your thoughts and creativity when using it. The camera almost is invisible when shooting with it. All the buttons are so well laid out that it's really hard to make mistakes. Then there is the image. It just looks great and has lots of flexibility to set up the camera on how you want it to look. Out of the box, it's maybe the best camera I've ever shot with (including stills cameras).
Brainwashed by Canon. No. But when you own $20,000 worth of their lenses, you kinda stay with Canon. I have for 20 years. I'm a camera fan. I just happen to have a great ecosystem in Canon between stills and video. If you really feel that Canon sticks it to you with releasing cameras with less than you want, there are plenty of cameras out there to choose from. But I will tell you this. Each and every one of them as something that another camera has. And if the C100 were such a bad deal, why are they flying off the shelves?