Inception

TwistedLincoln said:
Haven't read every page of this thread, but has anyone figured out why Cobb and his wife didn't starve to death in the real world while they lived their lifetime together in the dream?

If 5 minutes in the real world = 1 hour in the dream, then 40 years in the dream would be a bit over 3 years in the real world... so there's not much hope of the machine being able to provide them fluids and liquid nutrition for that long given its size.
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yeah but time travels slower and slower and slower with each deeper level of subconsciousness. so those 50 years could've been just a few minutes, maybe a few hours.

remember when they woke up in the same living room? almost the same amount of light was coming through the window.
 
Actually, I think each level was 20x faster, so...

40 years
=2 years
=36.5 days
=43.8 hours
=2.19 hours

If I'm remembering correctly.
 
WildTrackDave said:
Actually, I think each level was 20x faster, so...

40 years
=2 years
=36.5 days
=43.8 hours
=2.19 hours

If I'm remembering correctly.
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No, the quote in the movie was 5 minutes of real time = 1 hour in the dream, which is 12x, giving:

40 years
= 3.33 years
= 101.38 days
= 8.44 days
= 16.89 hours

Although I don't remember if they discussed it worked evenly through each state, but I believe it did

(And I looked up to verify that I was remembering the time multiplications correctly.)
 
Loved it!

Loved it!

First off, loved it, seen it 3 times already. Probably see it one more time.


The one thing that just absolutely tickles me is that as we watch the movie, we as the audience are participating on the first level of the dream. We're all entering and sharing Nolan's dream in a consensual way. He's providing the structure and we're filling it with our sub-conscious (as evidenced by the different responses to the movie in this thread). And then of course the joke is, all the characters are all literally projections! It also begs the question, when watching a movie what types of things will cause our sub-conscious to reject the "dream/movie"?

The second time I saw it, I totally got hooked on the whole "how do get someone to believe it's their idea". Here I am watching a movie and Nolan's main purpose is to get me to suspend my belief for a couple of hours and believe in his "dream". For me that's what makes the movie a masterpiece, to a degree it's like an ode to the movie watching/making experience.

Anyway great late night philosophical fodder for movie making.
 
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grimepoch said:
No, the quote in the movie was 5 minutes of real time = 1 hour in the dream, which is 12x, giving:

40 years
= 3.33 years
= 101.38 days
= 8.44 days
= 16.89 hours

Although I don't remember if they discussed it worked evenly through each state, but I believe it did

(And I looked up to verify that I was remembering the time multiplications correctly.)
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thought he said Dog years or dog days :cheesy:!
 
Cole said:
Richard- Did you see it in a fake IMAX or just not bother with the extra $5. I want to see it again at the White Marsh "IMAX" even if it isn't full size. I saw Iron Man 2 there and it was kick @ss.
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I saw it at Regal. Just the normal theater. If you liked the White Marsh Imax you will probably like this as well. Until you go to King of Prussia anyway.:Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
 
Fahad said:
yeah but time travels slower and slower and slower with each deeper level of subconsciousness. so those 50 years could've been just a few minutes, maybe a few hours.
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I do remember that each "dream within a dream" increases the time delay. But there wasn't any indication that they went any level deeper than one. It would follow that you wouldn't need to sleep in the dream, so they wouldn't enter another deeper level "naturally."

Although I suppose one would counter that Cobb, being trained in such things, would know that they would starve to death in the real world if they only stayed one level deep, and so intentionally went deeper to slow time down and we just didn't see it.
 
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...just in the interest of helping keep things straight...
 
Level five is the world that Mal and Cobb created. I would imagine it would have to come from Cobb's mind or how else would anyone know about it?
 
TwistedLincoln said:
I do remember that each "dream within a dream" increases the time delay. But there wasn't any indication that they went any level deeper than one. It would follow that you wouldn't need to sleep in the dream, so they wouldn't enter another deeper level "naturally."

Although I suppose one would counter that Cobb, being trained in such things, would know that they would starve to death in the real world if they only stayed one level deep, and so intentionally went deeper to slow time down and we just didn't see it.
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Aaah you have seen Inception right ....the whole reason why he got a team together was to go 3 to 4 levels deep the fifth level was spur of the moment thing !
 
Everts said:
Aaah you have seen Inception right ....the whole reason why he got a team together was to go 3 to 4 levels deep the fifth level was spur of the moment thing !
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I meant that there was no indication that Cobb and his wife went deeper than one level. Obviously the team went multiple levels -- that was the whole point of the second half of the film... :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
 
TwistedLincoln said:
I meant that there was no indication that Cobb and his wife went deeper than one level. Obviously the team went multiple levels -- that was the whole point of the second half of the film... :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
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Actually there was. They told you 5 minutes = 1 hour a level down. Later, they show pictures of them growing old in their world they created and he said that they did grow old together. Also, given the age they wake up on the floor, I think its pretty easy to deduce the implications that they were in fact a few levels deep (how many is not really said, but definitely enough where 50 years is a short time in reality).

I also seem to remember Cobb saying that multiple levels were necessary, because of course, he had already done it.
 
My take after seeing it only once, and just recently.

When he first went to visit the guy who sedates people and he goes under himself, from there on it's a dream, the world he then creates for himself. He woke up from that sedation far too easily, and on his on. Saw his wife briefly in the bathroom, went to spin the top but got interrupted. I took that as meaning something.

I think he decided to make it so everything worked out as well as it could for his mind to believe it. He went deep into his own mind, as he said numerous times you would have to and fooled himself into thinking that if he pulled off the job he could get his kids back. He jumped through many hoops to trick his mind into believing just that. Another thing he mentioned you would have to do throughout.

Of course, the other half of me says the top stops spinning and they pulled it off. :)

MAH
 
grimepoch said:
No, the quote in the movie was 5 minutes of real time = 1 hour in the dream, which is 12x, giving:

40 years
= 3.33 years
= 101.38 days
= 8.44 days
= 16.89 hours

Although I don't remember if they discussed it worked evenly through each state, but I believe it did

(And I looked up to verify that I was remembering the time multiplications correctly.)
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Just got back from seeing the movie (for the 3rd time).

At the beginning, Arthur says that 5 minutes in the real world equals 1 hour in the dream world. Later in the movie, the chemist says that with the more powerful sedative, every level, time speeds up 20x (10 hour flight=1 week=6 months=10 years).
 
Ok here's one when Cob and his beautiful wife wakes up from their "dream" , did you guys notice that dont have anything connected to their bodies ?
 
Everts said:
Ok here's one when Cob and his beautiful wife wakes up from their "dream" , did you guys notice that dont have anything connected to their bodies ?
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the machine may not have anything to do with dream sharing. It could just put you to sleep almost instantly so you can dream. They never explained what that machine was or how it worked. Just that the military developed dream sharing so soilders could beat the hell out of each other. The machine was not mentioned if remember correctly. I missed that. Good point.
 
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I just watched Memento again today.
They both end really similarely, that one and Inception.

They both have really obsessed protagonists who in the end walk away from their obsession.
I'm guessing that's probably defining Nolan as a writer/director, but I need to watch Inception, The Prestige and Following a few more times.
 
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