HPX250 brochure is up.

However, there is the CMOS issue with shudder, etc.

I understand that it has been attenuated since the release of the 300, and you can shoot around it, but it's still something to consider for some shooters.
 
It's a MOS sensor and yes, that means that it does the things MOS sensors do. You will have skewing, yes. The 370 had vastly improved skew over the 300, and I am sure the 250 basically represents the state of the art as far as skew goes. Which means it'll skew as much as a Red One or an EX3, but no more than they do. Now, combine that with the extended range of the telephoto and sure, at 100% zoom, you're gonna see some skew/jello, no doubt -- just like you would on any other camera at that zoom ratio. If that's not your cup of tea, then the 170 remains as the last of the great CCD camcorders.

As for flash banding, the 250 does have the Flash Band Compensation function, so that goes a long way towards mitigating that effect.
 
Couple questions. How does the EVF and LCD resolution compare with the 170? Also, is it verified that the 250 is better in low light, and if so, by how much?
Thanks...
 
Barry_Green said:
No, it's USB only. All their recent products have done away with IEEE1394 Host mode and offer only USB mode, as far as I can tell.
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Had it been a 3.0 USB... Asking too much?:happy:
The way I read it, they're probably going to introduce two models in Europe, one that has the ability to import files from a hard drive, and the other that doesn't ("EJ" model not having the ability to import the files). Presumably this would be a European tax law situation, where those who need the capability can pay a little more for it, and those that don't need it will have a cheaper model.
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Sounds like a valid reason, we'll see...

Again, it would be great to have the same clip split/copy function as with the Hpx3xx series... :Drogar-Happy(DBG):
 
The EVF and LCD are both astonishingly better. The HPX170's LCD was, I think, 210,000 pixels or so? The HPX250's is 920,000. And for EVF, the HPX170 had, I think, 235,000 pixels whereas the HPX250 has 1.2 million pixels. And on the 170, the angle of view was pretty limited, if you tilted the LCD just a little bit you'd see the image degrade on the LCD whereas on the AF100 (which, presumably, uses the same LCD panel as the 250) you can view it from just about any angle.

As for low light sensitivity, the HPX170 was about 500 ISO, and the HPX370 was about 600 ISO. I'm presuming that they're basically comparable, maybe a small edge to the HPX250, but that the noise on the 250 (when under gain) will likely be noticeably cleaner than on the 170.
 
Faust said:
Again, it would be great to have the same clip split/copy function as with the Hpx3xx series... :Drogar-Happy(DBG):
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Well, the 250 isn't the same camera as the 160. The 160 is an AVCCAM camera using the AVCCAM menu system. The 250 isn't a P2 version of the 160, it's a handheld version of the 370. So if the 370 does it, menu-wise, the odds are very high that the 250 will do it also.
 
Thanks Barry, I hope the Hpx250 will keep all the useful features found in the shoulder mount models.
Even because, at a glance, a couple of things like lens and 1080 VFR options appear to be great improvements over the Hpx300/370 series!

I love CCDs, I love Global Shutter devices' unquestionable pros and I've worked with them for years, but a smart camcorder like the Hpx250 which can be employed in almost any kind of work with a broadcast 10bit codec, a stunning lens, reliable P2 Cards, a choice among tens of video modes (all intraframe) is veeeery sexy...
 
Danny1280 said:
Thanks,Barry. Great news for those of us wanting better focus without having to add a monitor.
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You won't need a monitor for focusing. Between the adjustability of the peaking on the so-much-better LCD, and the expanded/magnified focus feature, you'll be able to get pinpoint focus on the HPX250 very easily.
 
Right, the new brochure makes no mention of AVCHD shooting with Hpx250.

Barry, your idea about a European input inhibited model is getting more and more plausible.
The *1 note at the bottom right of page 10 (Specifications) says: "AG-HPX250EJ does not support input via IEEE 1394 and USB 2.0".

I heartily hope you're right about the two models option, it seems like the mentioned HPX250EJ won't provide for any input both for USB HOST and DEVICE ports, and the same thing for FireWire socket...
 
Anyone know if its possible to flip image in camera for use with DOF adapters also will it be possible to play different clip formats in the camera without having to manually select them in the menu? a la HVX!
 
Barry_Green said:
It's a MOS sensor and yes, that means that it does the things MOS sensors do. You will have skewing, yes. The 370 had vastly improved skew over the 300, and I am sure the 250 basically represents the state of the art as far as skew goes. Which means it'll skew as much as a Red One or an EX3, but no more than they do. Now, combine that with the extended range of the telephoto and sure, at 100% zoom, you're gonna see some skew/jello, no doubt -- just like you would on any other camera at that zoom ratio. If that's not your cup of tea, then the 170 remains as the last of the great CCD camcorders.

As for flash banding, the 250 does have the Flash Band Compensation function, so that goes a long way towards mitigating that effect.
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I had always lusted after a long lens 170 and Panny has delivered. The lens itself with manual controls sounds simply awesome. But the cam with MOS sensors issues at full telephoto; I wonder how wonderful that will really be.

Grant
 
@ indigo
Mmmh, the tiny font lines scattered on the brochure often tell a lot!
Page 2, top right.
The note under the Optical Image Stabilizer paragraph explains:
"The digital zoom cannot be used while operating the Dynamic Range Stretcher (DRS) or Scan Reverse functions."

For playing different clip formats, nothing is for sure...
I only remember that every change in the Hpx300 SYSTEM MODE menu required the camera to be turned off.:undecided
The Hpx170 has a way to temporarily switch among different playback formats by the simple pressure of the navigation jog lever, while pointing to a red numbered clip.
Hope the same trick will be part of the Hpx250, too...
 
ND wheel position

ND wheel position

Doesn't look like a nice place to put an ND switch, especially for run-n-gun shooting. I could always access the ND switches easily with my left thumb on the DVX, HVX and HPXs. Looks like that'll be a challenge on this one. "Auto ND", now that's be useful. Imagine a sequential shot from exterior in interior without flipping an ND switch?

Also wish it would do HD slow-motion (1080 at 50P.) Or at least 720P at a higher rate than 50P, something more like 100-120P. That's the "future".

My two favorite selling points: higher rez LCDs/EVF and the 10 bit codec.

I'm happy to see this update but I get the sense it's not enough to really blow me away.

No trolling intended here.
Just my 2 cents.
 
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chromeboy007 said:
B&H is going for $6495 at this time.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/768924-REG/Panasonic_AG_HPX250_AG_HPX250_P2_HD_Handheld.html

The longer lens is a huge huge plus.

EDIT: plus F1.6 to 3.2. That's pretty good for this much zoom, is it? Or is it only measured to 86mm not all the way to 616mm?
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That is interesting given the list price is $5995.00 and available by the end of August:

The AG-HPX250, its first P2 HD handheld camcorder with 10-bit, 4:2:2 independent-frame, full 1920x1080 resolution AVC-Intra recording, will be available later this month at the suggested list price of $5,995/00
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