Hpx-170 Lcd

doondoon

doondoon

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I really hope that Panasonic addressed (in my opinion) the weakest and most frustrating aspect of the HVX-200. THE LOW RESOLUTION LCD.

FOCUS ! :violent5:

I haven't seen anything about it so far. Makes me nervous.
We'll see tomorrow.

Looks like they've attempted to address the other main issues.
 
The 170 will likely be in the same general price range as the HVX200.

As for what may have been done with focus, we'll see (assuming there's a functioning model). It does have a "focus assist" button on it.
 
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Barry_Green said:
The 170 will likely be in the same general price range as the HVX200.

As for what may have been done with focus, we'll see (assuming there's a functioning model). It does have a "focus assist" button on it.
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I hope they use the same focus assist as the HPX500.... I like it!
 
Have to be something special to get close or surpass the Sony EX3, or EX1 for that matter.

Only thing is to match the EX1, and offer real time frame ramping. Thats about all thats missing from the Sony that I would like to have.
 
Except for the aweful rolling shutter bizness. That's a deal braker if you are planning on shooting anything in extreme conditions.
 
Justyn said:
Except for the aweful rolling shutter bizness. That's a deal braker if you are planning on shooting anything in extreme conditions.
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I shot skiing / snowboarding at high speeds with lots of movement two weeks ago in Aspen Colorado... It was snowing hard and blowing like hell. There were trees and things in the background wizzing by fast... I considered the conditions relatively extreme. Upon reviewing the footage I saw no evidence of rolling shutter. Also, the codec held up great.

I'm sure if I went frame by frame and analyzed very closely I could find something... but the fact is that most people don't watch footage that way (unless you're on these boards everyday). Neither the director nor the producer said anything about rolling shutter...

Now, a camera flash on the other hand, it's easy to see the rolling shutter on the EX1.
 
I saw it today at NAB, its 4300ish, Solid state and meant as an companion or B camera to the HVX 200.

I was half looking for Barry this morning when I was there....I will say this, Any vendor that had a display or demo had an EX!. there must have been hundreds... No kidding!

Nava
 
OK Barry perhaps not the EX3 but certainly the EX1 is the main rival to the HVX, ragrdless of it costing a little more.

And I agree with Doondoon. I use the EX1 every week at our local speedway club filming from the centre green as rider hurtle around the track at 60 MPH. A perfect opportunity for the rolling shutter issue to raise its ugly head. But I haven't seen it. Again if I analysed each frame it migh be there, but in truth its not worth worrying about.

Anyway a bit off topic so what's the news regarding a new camera from Panasonic? When is it out and whats the spec?
 
Steve Shovlar said:
OK Barry perhaps not the EX3 but certainly the EX1 is the main rival to the HVX, ragrdless of it costing a little more.
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The EX1 is the main rival, yes. And "a little more" is about 30% more, which is a substantial amount.

A perfect opportunity for the rolling shutter issue to raise its ugly head. But I haven't seen it.
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Actually, that's not really much of a circumstance at all to see rolling shutter. Try mounting the camera on that car, and then you might see it.

Anyway a bit off topic so what's the news regarding a new camera from Panasonic? When is it out and whats the spec?
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The 170, the 150, and the new VariCams are the big announcements. I'll try to find out more; the only thing I know so far is "coming this fall" for the 150/170.
 
So no new camera then to challenge the EX1. Panasonic have lost ground here and it's very disappointing that they haven't at least said a new better version of the HVX is coming out, with 1/2 inch chips, better LCD, flip fuction, great low light, full 1920 x 1080, etc etc.

The HVX came out and stole a good march on Sony's efforts of the ZU1, but Sony came back with all guns blazing have have basically "kicked butt". And now we get no real reply from Panasonic to up the anti. A shame and missed opportunity.

We don't want a dumbed down B cam or a tweaked HVX200A. We want an HVX300 which has all the EX1 has and more.
 
Steve Shovlar said:
So no new camera then to challenge the EX1. Panasonic have lost ground here and it's very disappointing that they haven't at least said a new better version of the HVX is coming out, with 1/2 inch chips, better LCD, flip fuction, great low light, full 1920 x 1080, etc etc.

The HVX came out and stole a good march on Sony's efforts of the ZU1, but Sony came back with all guns blazing have have basically "kicked butt". And now we get no real reply from Panasonic to up the anti. A shame and missed opportunity.

We don't want a dumbed down B cam or a tweaked HVX200A. We want an HVX300 which has all the EX1 has and more.
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In my opinion, as misguided as it may be.....They both have their place in certain markets. While the Sony has 1/2 chips a very pretty image and delivers an outstanding picture with very little tweaking , I consider it more of a run and gun news type camera... It is still HDV, has rolling shutter etc.

The HVX delivers a killer picture but takes much more knowledge and tweaking, In my opinion it is more of a controlled environment unit. Great for commercials, indies and talking heads.

In my world of motor sports , the HVX is harder to use..not very forgiving. It takes me alot longer to get those clean perfect shots. When I use it for talking heads and locked down in the studio as far as Im concerned for the money there isn't a better camera.

I'm sticking with the HVX 200's and am looking into a 500 for an "A" camera. But I also have Sonys in my tool box...Too bad mixing codecs is such a pain.

Nava
 
Luis Caffesse said:
Then get the HPX500
You get a little more, and you pay a little more.
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I think the EX1 is better than the HPX500, with its 1440 x 1080 and although its got 2/3" chipset its still not as good in low light.

Plus its a shoulder mount camera and I don't want one those if I can help it.
 
rpmnava said:
In my opinion, as misguided as it may be.....They both have their place in certain markets. While the Sony has 1/2 chips a very pretty image and delivers an outstanding picture with very little tweaking , I consider it more of a run and gun news type camera... It is still HDV, has rolling shutter etc.

The HVX delivers a killer picture but takes much more knowledge and tweaking, In my opinion it is more of a controlled environment unit. Great for commercials, indies and talking heads.

In my world of motor sports , the HVX is harder to use..not very forgiving. It takes me alot longer to get those clean perfect shots. When I use it for talking heads and locked down in the studio as far as Im concerned for the money there isn't a better camera.

I'm sticking with the HVX 200's and am looking into a 500 for an "A" camera. But I also have Sonys in my tool box...Too bad mixing codecs is such a pain.

Nava
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HI Nava, I am sorry but I disagree. With the EX1 you can get an identical image to the HVX200. Its completely tweakable in every aspect.

It's also not HDV, It's 35Mbs EXDCAM codec which is superior to HDV (which it also shoots but I have never used it)

I also shoot motorsport and it works a treat especially at night under floodlights where it gives a stunning image due to its 1/2 chips, with little to no grain. The HVX I had until fairly recently was unusable, completely.

A new Panasonic camera with 1/2 inch chips, no blocking in the darker areas of the image, with perhaps a variable ramping framerate on the fly, added together with an LCD equivelent to the EX1 and perhaps a removable lens, flip facility plus more, and I will be the first in line. As long as its under $10,000.
 
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