Hpx-170 Lcd

USLatinContent said:
I'd say very likely... or they only changed things they felt like changing and didn't listen to us
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I don't understand why so many people are saying they 'didn't listen'
(and this is being directed in general - not specifically at you USLatinContent)

I mean sure, they didn't give us everything that was asked for - namely the higher res LCD and EVF - but honestly I'm quite shocked as to how much they listened.

Every single feature that is on the 170 is something that was asked for in some way on our 'user requested options' list on this site. The only thing that I've seen so far that is not on that list is the 'horizaontal bar' focus assist, which as far as I"m concerned is a bonus given that they included the histogram HPX500 style focus assist that was asked for.

There were about 60 things on that list - many of which we knew were NEVER going to happen (2/3" chips and AVC-Intra...come on). But out of those that were realistic, they seem to have delivered on about 15 to 20 of them.

Pretty impressive I think.
Not sure what you guys were saying that wasn't listened to - but I definitely feel like Panasonic was listening to me.
 
I honestly feel like the major things they had to do to compete with the EX-1 were improve low light sensitivity, increase dynamic range, and improve noise. I'm not exactly sure why the High-Res on-board LCD is such a huge deal but that might be because there's always an on-board strapped to the camera for me (or any camera that I've seen or used.)

They did a lot more than that, including bringing it all home at a projected two-grand LESS than the EX-1. AND it's an existing efficient Codec. It's not gonna be for everyone, but I think it's gonna be a homerun.
 
Luis Caffesse said:
There were about 60 things on that list - many of which we knew were NEVER going to happen (2/3" chips and AVC-Intra...come on). But out of those that were realistic, they seem to have delivered on about 15 to 20 of them.

Pretty impressive I think.
Not sure what you guys were saying that wasn't listened to - but I definitely feel like Panasonic was listening to me.
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OK, I did not expected to have a whole list of wishes fulfilled (maybe I did but that's my problem) but to be honest I feel the 170 is a timid progression for such a extraordinary format. At this point Panasonic could have blown away the competition, but in my view they backed-up a few steps.
The HVX170 will surely be an successful product and will fit a certain group just right, but the higher end consumer (just before the broadcast size), moving up from the HVX200, were not really addressed.
 
alexdias said:
the higher end consumer (just before the broadcast size), moving up from the HVX200, were not really addressed.
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I can see that.
The thing is I don't think Panasonic is viewing the 170 as a 'move up' from the HVX as much as a 'move over' to a strictly P2 workflow.
They've said the price will be comparable to the HVX200a - which tells me they see the cameras as on par.
That's just my analysis of it.

The move up, in their perspective, would be the HPX500.
And considering that you can get an HPX500 body for $8500 right now, it doesn't leave a whole lot of room for another camera level between that and the 200a/170.

But - I can see what you mean - if you were looking for an 'inbetween' then they didn't have much to offer you.
But to be fair - there isn't much wiggle room in their lineup to offer much at that level.

That is where the EX-1 comes into the equation I suppose.
 
Luis Caffesse said:
I can see that.
The thing is I don't think Panasonic is viewing the 170 as a 'move up' from the HVX as much as a 'move over' to a strictly P2 workflow.
They've said the price will be comparable to the HVX200a - which tells me they see the cameras as on par.
That's just my analysis of it.

The move up, in their perspective, would be the HPX500.
And considering that you can get an HPX500 body for $8500 right now, it doesn't leave a whole lot of room for another camera level between that and the 200a/170.
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Perfect way to put it, Luis.
 
incl. lens I think that is very cheap, i think it is more like 16000 usd !!!

Luis Caffesse said:
I can see that.
The thing is I don't think Panasonic is viewing the 170 as a 'move up' from the HVX as much as a 'move over' to a strictly P2 workflow.
They've said the price will be comparable to the HVX200a - which tells me they see the cameras as on par.
That's just my analysis of it.

The move up, in their perspective, would be the HPX500.
And considering that you can get an HPX500 body for $8500 right now, it doesn't leave a whole lot of room for another camera level between that and the 200a/170.

But - I can see what you mean - if you were looking for an 'inbetween' then they didn't have much to offer you.
But to be fair - there isn't much wiggle room in their lineup to offer much at that level.

That is where the EX-1 comes into the equation I suppose.
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Hey Luis, you want some of this?!? :thumbsup:
I totally agree with you, Pana FTW, I was just saying that IF they don't up the rez of the LCD then they will have avoided doing arguably the most popular request, and BTW I said it was very likely too... so now I will chase you through the forum trying to point out everything you say that is wrong!!! aahah!! oooooh! it's on!
 
I'd pay another $500 for a great HD LCD viewfinder. It's worth a lot to me to be able to get shots in focus quickly.
 
Hi all,

I'm in for the 170; it will go nicely with the HVX200. I just wish I had more change in the jar.

:D
 
Luis Caffesse said:
The move up, in their perspective, would be the HPX500.
And considering that you can get an HPX500 body for $8500 right now, it doesn't leave a whole lot of room for another camera level between that and the 200a/170.
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Right. We don´t need an EX1 copy from Pana, what we need is a HPX500 starters kit for clearly under 15K. Don´t get me wrong, of course I can get an old lens on e-bay and have a HPX500 with batteries and tripode plate for 11K right now. (In Euros something like 7K buying it abroad - almost same price as an EX1 here in Europe!!!) But I think many people are put off by the modular offers of the HPX500. People who started with a DVX or a HVX are used to put their money down and to get a complete camera. It´s a different thing for people who are in business for a long time, already.
 
Luis Caffesse said:
I can see that.
The thing is I don't think Panasonic is viewing the 170 as a 'move up' from the HVX as much as a 'move over' to a strictly P2 workflow.
They've said the price will be comparable to the HVX200a - which tells me they see the cameras as on par.
That's just my analysis of it.

The move up, in their perspective, would be the HPX500.
And considering that you can get an HPX500 body for $8500 right now, it doesn't leave a whole lot of room for another camera level between that and the 200a/170.

But - I can see what you mean - if you were looking for an 'inbetween' then they didn't have much to offer you.
But to be fair - there isn't much wiggle room in their lineup to offer much at that level.

That is where the EX-1 comes into the equation I suppose.
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Luis, I believe you got it and I respect your analysis.
I put the 500 in a separate category. With lens, batteries, tripod and a few more accessories with the rebate a HPX500 package will cost you close to $27K or more. Own experience...

Maybe what I meant was a HVX200 upgrade. The market exist, the success of the HVX and the EX-1 is the definitive proof, so after 2.5 years (considering the schedule release of the 170) I expected a great new product right on that "inbetween".
 
Adding to my previous post the move to the HPX500 is not just a question of money. I work with docs and TV shows, most of it handheld and after a few hours your back will be screaming for a lighter camera. Also the intrusiveness of a full broadcast camera is quite different than saying a HVX or EX-1.

I'll stop venting my frustration soon. Right now I'm just trying to figure out how I'm going to decide between a excellent codec/format (DVCPRO HD) with desired hardware/image quality the EX series.
 
concerning buying the hpx500 in the US. Does the US have 220 V or 110 V??
If 110 V what about charging the batteries?


joe 1008 said:
Right. We don´t need an EX1 copy from Pana, what we need is a HPX500 starters kit for clearly under 15K. Don´t get me wrong, of course I can get an old lens on e-bay and have a HPX500 with batteries and tripode plate for 11K right now. (In Euros something like 7K buying it abroad - almost same price as an EX1 here in Europe!!!) But I think many people are put off by the modular offers of the HPX500. People who started with a DVX or a HVX are used to put their money down and to get a complete camera. It´s a different thing for people who are in business for a long time, already.
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I hope the HVX200 time code sync problem "When you sync 2 cameras time code with a firewire cable " is sorted out with this new camera !!!
 
Cees Mutsaers said:
concerning buying the hpx500 in the US. Does the US have 220 V or 110 V??
If 110 V what about charging the batteries?
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Is 110v but if needed you could always buy a voltage converter.
Talking about the charger, charger are usually universal, that means that you can plug it anywhere in the world. (for example, I have a canon battery charger by my side and it says 100-240v 50-60HZ)
 
Mister Big said:
I'd pay another $500 for a great HD LCD viewfinder. It's worth a lot to me to be able to get shots in focus quickly.
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All you guys saying you want a better LCD! Everyone saying that you'd pay $500-$1000 more to have that. Buy yourselves a proper field monitor. A Marshal, Nebtek, TVLogic, Carrion, whatever!

Then you will start complaining about the financial responsibility of having to do so... Go to ikancorp.com, Buy the V8000W for $499.00, You'll get an 8" LCD, a mounting bracket, the cords, the batteries, everything.

Then you'll start complaining the monitor is not HD and that a true HD monitor is more money.

The way I see it is that Panasonic is doing a stellar job on the new HPX170 and the updated HVX200a. The HPX170 has HD-SDI out, and lots of the things we asked for. And don't go saying you're upset it doesn't have a tape drive!

I'm sure there are minor improvements in the quality of the LCD just as a result of time and the engineering process of cameras. But please stop saying that the HPX170 and the HVX200a are worthless updates and the sort. If you don't like them, go buy another camera then! Oh and if you complain about the price of that other camera, then stop doing so and spend your time making money!
 
jstunzi said:
All you guys saying you want a better LCD! Everyone saying that you'd pay $500-$1000 more to have that. Buy yourselves a proper field monitor. A Marshal, Nebtek, TVLogic, Carrion, whatever!

Then you will start complaining about the financial responsibility of having to do so... Go to ikancorp.com, Buy the V8000W for $499.00, You'll get an 8" LCD, a mounting bracket, the cords, the batteries, everything.

Then you'll start complaining the monitor is not HD and that a true HD monitor is more money.

The way I see it is that Panasonic is doing a stellar job on the new HPX170 and the updated HVX200a. The HPX170 has HD-SDI out, and lots of the things we asked for. And don't go saying you're upset it doesn't have a tape drive!

I'm sure there are minor improvements in the quality of the LCD just as a result of time and the engineering process of cameras. But please stop saying that the HPX170 and the HVX200a are worthless updates and the sort. If you don't like them, go buy another camera then! Oh and if you complain about the price of that other camera, then stop doing so and spend your time making money!
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Bingo!
 
I only say that a lot of people want that, but at no price increase. If you are willing to pay more that I'd say go balls out and get a carrion. The external monitor is the way to go for HD anyway because the size of the LCD prevents from packing enough pixels anyway, and they are no sharing monitor either. So I completely agree with you.
 
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