GH5 How interested are you in a GH6 anymore?

Thomas Smet said:
There is absolutely no aperture control in Filmic pro. You are thinking of just exposure control. Exposure can be adjusted via ISO, Aperture, Shutter and ND filtering. The lens is what controls aperture on a camera and those tiny lenses have no aperture at all. When you adjust exposure on a iPhone its strictly using shutter speed for bright scenes and ISO for darker scenes. Aperture are the blades that physically move to limit ho much light hits the sensor.



Now if one can create a very well structured lighting setup to create just the right lighting conditions they can be great cameras. If one has the crew to do that however why bother with a phone camera? So many better options out there for that kind of production. Thats why I find it odd that Apple is promoting the new iPhone for film production and creative DOF control.


I don't make excuses for it because I want them to fix it. If we all just roll over and accept it Apple will never address it. Film makers complained about the lack of DOF control and Apple knew they would never take it seriously if they didn't come up with a solution. Now we need to demand they come up with an aperture solution.
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You can somewhat change the DOF using the focus control dial with Filmic Pro. Even some rake focus. I do like having the dial on a DSLR to change those settings but it can be done on an iPhone. Maybe even using a Moment Tele lens will help with DOF.

I guess you could ask Steven Soderbergh, Zack Snyder, Sean Baker and others, but I guess for different reasons. Cost, camera size, low budget etc. They were using iPhones 5 and 7 too.

A quote from Kathryn Bigelow, “The iPhone doesn’t require any ancillary pieces of equipment …with so much accessibility, I think all pretension tends to disappear. And so it makes the set and the filming process much less apprehensive…It’s a completely integrated process now”.


The iPhone 13 seems to be the start of getting better DOF.
 
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DLD said:
FWIW, Tony Northrup thinks GH-6 will be priced at $2,000. Tony says a lot of silly things but he does have connections to the manufacturers. And, looking at the photo-video market, $2,000 would be a reasonable price for the model with the currently known specs.
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I hope it is no more than that.
 
I was watching R5c review yesterday. Got to laugh they added a bump out with a fan for over heating but took away ibis and it uses micro hdmi
 
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Zim said:
You can somewhat change the DOF using the focus control dial with Filmic Pro. Even some rake focus. I do like having the dial on a DSLR to change those settings but it can be done on an iPhone. Maybe even using a Moment Tele lens will help with DOF.

I guess you could ask Steven Soderbergh, Zack Snyder, Sean Baker and others, but I guess for different reasons. Cost, camera size, low budget etc. They were using iPhones 5 and 7 too.

A quote from Kathryn Bigelow, “The iPhone doesn’t require any ancillary pieces of equipment …with so much accessibility, I think all pretension tends to disappear. And so it makes the set and the filming process much less apprehensive…It’s a completely integrated process now”.


The iPhone 13 seems to be the start of getting better DOF.
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Because it was a publicity stunt to use iPhones for those projects. There was hope that was enough to generate enough buzz for people t watch the movies. They were not great movies at all and being shot on an iPhone added zero value to the production out side of articles written offering free marketing and publicity of those projects.

Also keep in mind movies like that are carefully lit so the camera can can exposed perfectly. They also had to add a ton of gear to make the camera usable. Like ND filters. I'm still struggling to find a perfect ND solution for the iPhone. PolarPro has a nice option but each new phone model requires a whole new case. The filters also don't seem to be stackable and the variable ND is only 3-5 stops. Thats not a ton of range to solely expose outdoors in bright sunlight. Being able to add a static ND filter to that would help a ton. If you know of a really good variable ND option I would love to know about it. I'm also hoping someone comes up with a way to make one that adjusts automatically based on the lighting. With a DSLR I can at least use a ND to get within a safe range and let the camera adjust aperture with the sweet spot of f4 to f8 for many lenses. Thats not an option on the iPhone so all exposure would have to be 100% with ND filters.

Like I said I like the iPhone cameras and think they are nice tools to have. They have their limitations however and my reason for bringing them up is so those limitations can be fixed. I wish more people would harass Apple to fix the aperture issue. Myself and many others would find great use for the cameras if they did.
 
Thomas Smet said:
Because it was a publicity stunt to use iPhones for those projects. There was hope that was enough to generate enough buzz for people t watch the movies. They were not great movies at all and being shot on an iPhone added zero value to the production out side of articles written offering free marketing and publicity of those projects.

Also keep in mind movies like that are carefully lit so the camera can can exposed perfectly. They also had to add a ton of gear to make the camera usable. Like ND filters. I'm still struggling to find a perfect ND solution for the iPhone. PolarPro has a nice option but each new phone model requires a whole new case. The filters also don't seem to be stackable and the variable ND is only 3-5 stops. Thats not a ton of range to solely expose outdoors in bright sunlight. Being able to add a static ND filter to that would help a ton. If you know of a really good variable ND option I would love to know about it. I'm also hoping someone comes up with a way to make one that adjusts automatically based on the lighting. With a DSLR I can at least use a ND to get within a safe range and let the camera adjust aperture with the sweet spot of f4 to f8 for many lenses. Thats not an option on the iPhone so all exposure would have to be 100% with ND filters.

Like I said I like the iPhone cameras and think they are nice tools to have. They have their limitations however and my reason for bringing them up is so those limitations can be fixed. I wish more people would harass Apple to fix the aperture issue. Myself and many others would find great use for the cameras if they did.
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It was a stunt? So ,Soderburgh had nothing better to do than make Unsane and High Flying Bird for a stunt? A producer gave Sean Baker money to make a movie ,but not a huge amount. So he used a iPhone, and it made it into Sundance. It's called making movies. Not stunts.

There are 1,000 and 1,000 of crapy looking movie with your list of approved cameras that hardly anyone sees.
 
Thomas Smet said:
Also keep in mind movies like that are carefully lit so the camera can can exposed perfectly. They also had to add a ton of gear to make the camera usable. Like ND filters. I'm still struggling to find a perfect ND solution for the iPhone. PolarPro has a nice option but each new phone model requires a whole new case. The filters also don't seem to be stackable and the variable ND is only 3-5 stops. Thats not a ton of range to solely expose outdoors in bright sunlight. Being able to add a static ND filter to that would help a ton. If you know of a really good variable ND option I would love to know about it. I'm also hoping someone comes up with a way to make one that adjusts automatically based on the lighting. With a DSLR I can at least use a ND to get within a safe range and let the camera adjust aperture with the sweet spot of f4 to f8 for many lenses. Thats not an option on the iPhone so all exposure would have to be 100% with ND filters.

I have the PolarPro Lite Chaser and it is a nice mobile set up. I do like the way the ND and CP filter fits over the camera lens. Moondog has a good filter mount that will fit on the PolarPro case. I might get the Moment 58mm lens to attach to it, and us one of their ND filters, or any 52mm filter.

https://moondoglabs.com/collections/accessories/products/multi-camera-filter-mount-v2
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Zim said:
It was a stunt? So ,Soderburgh had nothing better to do than make Unsane and High Flying Bird for a stunt? A producer gave Sean Baker money to make a movie ,but not a huge amount. So he used a iPhone, and it made it into Sundance. It's called making movies. Not stunts.

There are 1,000 and 1,000 of crapy looking movie with your list of approved cameras that hardly anyone sees.
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If you could use any camera you wanted, free of charge, with a crew available to support it, what camera would you choose?
 
ahalpert said:
If you could use any camera you wanted, free of charge, with a crew available to support it, what camera would you choose?
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Do I get to pick a cinematographer too? If so I'd let him chose and I would work with him to get the best shot.

But probably a RED, I guess. They are used a lot.
 
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Thomas Smet said:
Also keep in mind movies like that are carefully lit so the camera can can exposed perfectly. They also had to add a ton of gear to make the camera usable. Like ND filters. I'm still struggling to find a perfect ND solution for the iPhone. PolarPro has a nice option but each new phone model requires a whole new case. The filters also don't seem to be stackable and the variable ND is only 3-5 stops. Thats not a ton of range to solely expose outdoors in bright sunlight. Being able to add a static ND filter to that would help a ton. If you know of a really good variable ND option I would love to know about it.

With the 52mm filter mount for the Moondog Anamorphic lens you can use any 52mm filter. I have a 52mm step up to 55mm. So I had other filters I can use. I think with the filter mount you can do the same thing. Yes it is to bad the polar pro filters that came with the Lite Chaser can't do that

https://moondoglabs.com/collections/accessories/products/multi-camera-filter-mount-v2
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Well, OMD (previously Olympus) is teasing its new "wow" camera too. It will likely be revealed at the Japanese photo show CP+ in late February. Presuming it's the same MFT sensor as Panasonic's ...
 
And it's supposed to be priced at $2,000. As is GH-6. And for $500 more one can get A7IV or R6.
 
If you're starting from scratch, that's likely ideal - but if you want a small sensor to use with any lenses you may already have, you'd rather save $500.
 
ahalpert said:
if you have a purpose that benefits from a smaller sensor, the savings are just a cherry on top
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The purpose has to be met with the adequate performance for its price and Olympus/OMD have not been meeting that requirement for the last few years. 16/20 MPX sensors work fine for video but are obsolete for the stills corner of the market.

A Quad-Bayer sensor - if there's only one to be shared between OMD and Panasonic - could rectify the problem. But then it won't be the previously announced GH-6 data collector and, if it's a higher res one, then OMD would really have to cripple its video performance via codecs, crops, line skipping/ pixel binning, etc.
 
Gossip has Olympus/OMD with a 24 MPX sensor. If it has a quick/self-correcting pixel-shifting mode - i.e., without "smudgy" artifacts - it could be a decent stills camera.

If GH-6 has the same sensor as OMD, then it will offer an 6K-into-4K image similar to S1H in an MFT mount and for significantly less.

Additional features for either camera are unknown.
 
stoneinapond said:
I think it may surpass the S1H in certain cases (other than sensor size).
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Which, technically, would be enough for 2022. The remaining questions in terms of the ready-to-shoot package are the auto focus, codec, IBIS, et cetera.

I still think that the significant portion of their target market has moved on from the MFT but the camera itself could sufficient for all sorts of scenarios.
 
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