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Ron Evans said:
Multi Aspect is not in the software for GH5S the sensor is bigger than the MFT circle...
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Just so there is no misunderstanding. The aspects ratios are in software. The resolution of these aspects is subject to the sensor ... and also software. The old JVC LS 300 had a S35 sensor and an MFT mount - with S35 full sensor read, it was 11.2 MPX; at 86% it was 4K but vignetted on some MFT lenses; others recommended 80% with a slight loss of innate resolution.

On the other hand, Sony A7SIII offers an in-body "clear image zoom", which allows for an APS-C crop that's subsequently upscaled to 4K. ARRI Alexa also upscaled its 2.8K sensor into 4K. Most smartphones have a built-in digital upscaling algorithm for both photo and video. Depending on the camera processing power and the degree of the enlargement, the image can look pristine ... or like complete crap, as in the case of a 100x zoom in Samsung's models.

And then there's everything in between.
 
Upscaling is sort of bullshit. I mean, why not then upscale the actual 4K readout to 6K and call it 6K. You're picking up more detail in the 4K capture than the 2.8K capture. That being said, I use clear image zoom
 
DLD said:
Just so there is no misunderstanding. The aspects ratios are in software. The resolution of these aspects is subject to the sensor ... and also software. The old JVC LS 300 had a S35 sensor and an MFT mount - with S35 full sensor read, it was 11.2 MPX; at 86% it was 4K but vignetted on some MFT lenses; others recommended 80% with a slight loss of innate resolution.

On the other hand, Sony A7SIII offers an in-body "clear image zoom", which allows for an APS-C crop that's subsequently upscaled to 4K. ARRI Alexa also upscaled its 2.8K sensor into 4K. Most smartphones have a built-in digital upscaling algorithm for both photo and video. Depending on the camera processing power and the degree of the enlargement, the image can look pristine ... or like complete crap, as in the case of a 100x zoom in Samsung's models.

And then there's everything in between.
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I suggest you look at this from 3 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDaglh-nUmA about 2:40 has the diagrams. So very different way than GH5 etc.
 
Ok, something isn't quite right with the leaked images of the GH5II. They look identical to photos of the original GH5 except with the red ring on the left hand dial, & the red record button. I can't imagine these are the real deal. All will be revealed on the 25th i guess.
 
Unless already noted that the body will be different, there's a 50/50 chance the body is identical to the first version like 15+ other cameras have had from a variety of companies in the history of model recycling.
 
BCWoodworks said:
Ok, something isn't quite right with the leaked images of the GH5II. They look identical to photos of the original GH5 except with the red ring on the left hand dial, & the red record button. I can't imagine these are the real deal. All will be revealed on the 25th i guess.
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Perhaps this GH5II is just a way to take advantage of a parts shortage for the original GH5. That is, some critical component (or components) of the GH5 is no longer available but, since the camera still sells well and profitably, Panasonic thought it was worth modifying it to suit a replacement component. A mild refresh (e.g. new image processor to allow internal 10-bit 4K 60p) excuses the new model name to attract press interest and allow a price reset at the same time.

Panasonic still needs to persuade customers that it will invest in Micro Four Thirds in the future. That uncertainty must be seriously affecting sales by this point.
 
DLD said:
It's a great video but doesn't contradict anything I wrote. It just explains the particular design of GH-5s and the intent behind it. GH-6 or GH-6s, if such ever come out, may inherit some of the traits of the previous generations. Or create some new ones.
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If you mean by software selecting the pixels to use for the aspect ratios then that is fine but not my understanding of software. Software by definition is changeable. Using electronic image stabilizer is software for instance. Having aspect ratios fixed in hardware by design as is the case for GH5S is not software in my understanding. At best firmware.
 
Everything is controlled by software, of course, but the multi-aspect-ratio feature is Panasonic’s description of an oversized sensor. Which is as hard as hardware gets.

This feature was a marketing flop, as can be seen by the near-universal misunderstanding of it and its purpose, even by professional camera reviewers. The purpose is to always fully use the large, expensive part of the camera (the lens) rather than a small, inexpensive part of it (the sensor). So it optimises image quality – noise, dynamic range, MTF at any spatial frequency – for any given camera-lens package size and cost.

This especially makes sense for cameras with fairly small sensors, since the cost of the extra sensor area is minimal in those cases and the raison d'être of small cameras is good portability for the image quality. Although, these days, I’d argue it should be universal on full-frame cameras too – especially because the lenses just keep getting bigger and more costly, and cameras are used more and more for both stills and video with different aspect ratios. But since hardly anyone is asking for it, that’s unlikely to happen.
 
Yes Panasonic did a very poor job of explaining it especially to reviewers who could have been important for them. Though to be fair as an amateur it did not take me long to understand that so definitely coloured my view of quite a lot of reviewers !! I have both GH5 and GH5S and the differences are very obvious. For my use, purely for video on tripods the GH5S is far superior to the GH5. Wider field of view with same lens, better low light and colour. For me the GH5 will be the first camera to be sold. For hand held use for family events etc I use my Sony AX53 camcorder. Super stabilizer and 20x zoom much more useful.
 
Samuel Dilworth said:
Perhaps this GH5II is just a way to take advantage of a parts shortage for the original GH5. That is, some critical component (or components) of the GH5 is no longer available but, since the camera still sells well and profitably, Panasonic thought it was worth modifying it to suit a replacement component. A mild refresh (e.g. new image processor to allow internal 10-bit 4K 60p) excuses the new model name to attract press interest and allow a price reset at the same time.

Panasonic still needs to persuade customers that it will invest in Micro Four Thirds in the future. That uncertainty must be seriously affecting sales by this point.
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To be clear, i think the photos are edited (photoshop). One in particular is identical, down to every little detail of the black flecked paint. The only thing different is the red ring & button.
 
BCWoodworks said:
To be clear, i think the photos are edited (photoshop). One in particular is identical, down to every little detail of the black flecked paint. The only thing different is the red ring & button.
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There are other differences including the labelling of the function buttons. If the “black flecked paint” is the same – I didn’t check – it’s because these are Panasonic renders of digital models, not product photographs, and since the body is the same, they used the same 3-D model.
 
Since the BGH1 is really a GH5S in a box and it now has ProRes RAW to Ninja V I expect the same firmware is coming to the GH5S. I hope that is true as I have GH5S and Ninja V already but hope it does that for UHD 60P
 
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