GH5 How interested are you in a GH6 anymore?

DLD said:
Had GH-6 been a 25/100 MPX fully enabled Quad Bayer, it would be sending some shock waves throughout the cartel. It looks like it isn't quite as daring.
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I thought this cartel chat was a joke at first but you relentlessly advertise it here. Please provide a shred of evidence or logic to support this serial violation of Occam’s razor. These companies are competing tooth and nail with the wherewithal that they possess and within the constraints of Japanese culture. Of course you would design a better camera (with 300 megapixels, maybe?) but they’re trying their best. Has it escaped your notice that some of them have recently gone out of business and others have lost large sums of money?
 
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filmguy123 said:
For the talk on the GH6 being chunkier, its only about 15g heavier than a GH5, and I welcome the slightly larger body size as it is easier to handle and grip.
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A GH5 is 725 g. The GH5S without IBIS is a big lighter at 660 g. This GH6 is 823 g according to the leaked specs. Substantially heavier, not just 15 g heavier. Of course many people won’t care. It’s light compared to any kind of cine rig.
 
Thomas Smet said:
Can a GH6 really handle full V-log? The S series got full V-log because they can do 14+ stops of DR. It looks like the GH6 isn't exactly going to be as good when it comes to DR.
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The GH6 has a lower base ISO for stills by the leaked specs: 100 versus 200 on the GH5 or 160 on the GH5S. That means the sensor accepts more light before saturating. More light = less noise = higher dynamic range. So there is reason to be hopeful of an improvement.

(I use the stills base ISO because that’s not subject to whatever underexposure Panasonic deems useful for preserving highlights in the various video profiles, which is hard to know or guess. But the same principle applies in video.)
 
Samuel Dilworth said:
I thought this cartel chat was a joke at first but you relentlessly advertise it here. Please provide a shred of evidence or logic to support this serial violation of Occam’s razor. These companies are competing tooth and nail with the wherewithal that they possess and within the constraints of Japanese culture. Of course you would design a better camera (with 300 megapixels, maybe?) but they’re trying their best. Has it escaped your notice that some of them have recently gone out of business and others have lost large sums of money?
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DLD can answer for himself, but companies are only trying their best now because push came to shove.

I don't call them a cartel because I don't think that's the best description, but anyone who has followed cameras for the last 10 years knows how the Japanese have severely limited their models when they were capable of doing much more.

If you (anyone) used 20-30-40 different cameras, you would be shocked how some models compare with "competing" technology. We see it every single release...there are features missing, changed, some work well, some don't work well. It's like they are picking features written down on pieces of paper out of a hat but when all is said and done the cameras' strengths and weaknesses compete with each other perfectly.

On the outside, to a regular Joe, it looks like they are truly competing, but these people are highly capable of offering much more. And it's only in 2020 (what I think was the official start of much better cameras) that they are showing it.
 
Samuel Dilworth said:
A GH5 is 725 g. The GH5S without IBIS is a big lighter at 660 g. This GH6 is 823 g according to the leaked specs. Substantially heavier, not just 15 g heavier. Of course many people won’t care. It’s light compared to any kind of cine rig.
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Thanks, I was inadvertently comparing GH6 body only weight to GH5 body + battery/memory card weight.

Though in any case, 100g more doesn’t feel like much in the hand at only .22lbs.
 
It looks like the GH6 *will* have a low pass filter then? Is that the same as an IR filter? Wondering if it will have an IR filter and if using UV-IR filters on lenses would be good, or if lenses used need to have non-IR filters.
 
Not the same...all cameras have IR filters otherwise the results they would capture for us would be purple and other LSD-tripping colors.

Some IR filters in cameras are stronger than others, which is why the results may look great even with heavy ND filtration, like in cinema cameras.

But sometimes additional IR cutting is required on lower-end cameras when using threaded filters or others without IR-handling properties built into the glass.

Blackmagic was infamously known to have weak IR filters in their earlier run (not sure how the new UMPs are), which made any blacks look brown/red even with only a few stops of ND.

They were held in by an o-ring and some of us replaced ours back in the day with stronger ones from China/eBay.

*lol* on the above because that's how rudimentary their camera building was ~10 years ago...just a few parts "sewed" together with the irony of having some of the best image quality on the planet.
 
I'm not really sure. My most used Panasonic mirrorless was a GH2 but I didn't know anything back then. Others, just here and there, mostly indoors without ND.

But before you sell your GH5 or GH5S, you can quickly test one outdoors with some black clothing if you have a variable ND filter (or solid filters would work too if you have 4-6-8-10 stops).

 
I don't know if this was posted. Was watching this pre-review. Has clips of that leaked video. I looks like AF might be improved but really same fundamental flaws. Pretty much what I expected. Despite being improved I can see people being conflicted whether they want to buy it being the same price as Sony A7 IV. With down sides like DFD AF being only ok, battery life of 40 minutes, and low light mainly performance mainly being aided by noise reduction algorithms... Sounds like it has a interesting features but like most cameras you'll be left with a difficult decision.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZjZ9WLQrMc
 
I know it’s early but I’m 98% sure I’m sticking with the Canon R6 despite its flaws. Having DPAF is like snorting a pound of coke. Well I assume it is since I have never done anything like that before. I have used that silly expression three times in a week now. Which is odd because beer is pretty much the most extreme thing I have ever consumed. Oh and tequila.

anyway…

the R6 frustrates me at times but the 20MP stills are solid, the 4K video is solid, the low light is solid, the IBIS when standing still is solid, the color is solid, the AF is usually solid for random objects like flowers and darn near perfect for people. The DR is good enough most of the time. Clog3 and HDR PQ are amazing. I’m finding clog3 about 1000x easier to work with than clog L ever was. Mostly thanks to actually having luts designed for clog3 and having decent color out of the box.

I greatly miss the extra telephoto reach and that tempts me to move back to a GH6 but I’m not sure I miss it enough to sacrifice everything else. The internal ProRes is nice but the smaller 10bit HEVC already cuts super well on my M1 MBA and I’m going to upgrade to a M1 Pro or Max soon. I can also do that via my Ninja V so not a massive deal really. As nice as 5.7k is it would mostly be used for over sampling which the R6 already does.

I hope the GH6 does well and maybe I will change my mind in a few months when people have it in theirs hands and give it a good test. For now I’m good. I love m43 and think it’s a perfect and solid format for many but I may be done. I’m only keeping the P4k so I can use raw plus right now it’s a killer camera to use for live streaming. If the R6 ever gets external raw support I may even get rid of the P4k. I love what the P4k can produce but it’s just too much hassle for me most of the time.
 
That is the kit lens I got with my GH5 years ago so I assume it will be the one now. I think it would have been the one with the GH5S too but I just got the body for that. I think I will change my GH5 for the GH6 as it meets most of what I want. I have two Ninja V so do not need internal ProRes. Wonder if it will have ProRes RAW like the GH5S.
 
Peter C. said:
I don't know if this was posted. Was watching this pre-review. Has clips of that leaked video. I looks like AF might be improved but really same fundamental flaws. Pretty much what I expected. Despite being improved I can see people being conflicted whether they want to buy it being the same price as Sony A7 IV. With down sides like DFD AF being only ok, battery life of 40 minutes, and low light mainly performance mainly being aided by noise reduction algorithms... Sounds like it has a interesting features but like most cameras you'll be left with a difficult decision.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZjZ9WLQrMc
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Like TDLR filmmaker said the GH6 is Netflix ready. It is going to be a great camera. If people need to be on continuous AF all of the time or have people running towards the camera then running backwards they can get something else. There are ways to deal with this anyway. Manual, turn of continuous AF, set the interview up so they stay in focus if they lean forward, half way push down the shutter, or tap the screen to re focus, etc.

When I'm making a film or doing an interview I'm always looking at the screen to check. Listening to to the audio. When shooting video or taking a picture I try to frame the shot so hopefully I can cut down on cropping later.

Now what he said about the battery life does worry me. But he and other bloggers are going off some "leaked" video that might not even be accurate.
 
Zim said:
Like I said hopefully. Officially hasn't happened yet. That is the one B&H will normally have.
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lol, you can breathe, it's official.

No one is wasting time photoshopping a GH6 with the lens. And like you said it's been used for the other kits.

And focusing above in the Panasonic by tapping the screen only works if you're okay with hunting during interviews. Would never be allowed to do that for important work if the AF didn't have smooth transitions.
 
NorBro said:
lol, you can breathe, it's official.

No one is wasting time photoshopping a GH6 with the lens. And like you said it's been used for the other kits.

And focusing above in the Panasonic by tapping the screen only works if you're okay with hunting during interviews. Would never be allowed to do that for important work if the AF didn't have smooth transitions.
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Leaks are not official.
I like to set up the shot. Move them around and have a nice range that is in focus. Adjust F stops. You can turn off AF or not continuous. It won't be hunting.
 
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