stoneinapond
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No GH6 for you!
GH5 How interested are you in a GH6 anymore?
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No GH6 for you!
ahalpert
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rumors sites saying the OMD (and maybe therefore the gh6 as well?) will have 2 extra stops of DR thanks to alternating low-gain, high-gain photosites in its quad bayer implementation. but I remember them saying that about the a7siii as well... if it's true and it works well, it would be game-changing stuff. of course, there's nothing preventing it from happening in other cameras as well. (they mention the future a7rV as a contender). but we're getting into double-decker hypothetical territory
NorBro
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Panasonic could have great AF overnight. It's none of the above and they are simply being limited.
In real competition, corporations cannot rush fast enough to respond to each other within 3-6 months.
It's been 8 years.
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There is no life-changing time and money involved. Panasonic has had the modern hardware and software readily available and at their disposal, but do not use it.
The X-T3 has been mentioned multiple times in this thread but it's a good example because it's a camera from a company that did not have any continuous video AF cameras and then overnight in 2018:
"Surprise! Here's one of the best AF cameras on the market."
2019..."Wait, wait...we take it back!"
[FW upgrade rendered the AF useless after likely too much heat was on Fujifilm for having an amazing system that was loaded for the price. Something had to give.]
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I mean...we are talking about cameras whose main job is to capture pictures/motion pictures that have to be in focus.
There is no explanation in this universe how Panasonic could have not adapted for 8 years when they know how strongly desired of a feature it is.
They know how the consumers - the ones they research and have tons of data on - feel about it.
In real competition, corporations cannot rush fast enough to respond to each other within 3-6 months.
It's been 8 years.
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There is no life-changing time and money involved. Panasonic has had the modern hardware and software readily available and at their disposal, but do not use it.
The X-T3 has been mentioned multiple times in this thread but it's a good example because it's a camera from a company that did not have any continuous video AF cameras and then overnight in 2018:
"Surprise! Here's one of the best AF cameras on the market."
2019..."Wait, wait...we take it back!"
[FW upgrade rendered the AF useless after likely too much heat was on Fujifilm for having an amazing system that was loaded for the price. Something had to give.]
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I mean...we are talking about cameras whose main job is to capture pictures/motion pictures that have to be in focus.
There is no explanation in this universe how Panasonic could have not adapted for 8 years when they know how strongly desired of a feature it is.
They know how the consumers - the ones they research and have tons of data on - feel about it.
When Samsung released a 102 MPX camera a couple of years ago with only contrast detect auto focus, they immediately added the LiDar AF. Into the second generation of the same model. Half a year later. Contrast detect missed shots far too often.
And that was a 70mm2 sensor too. MFT is around 225 mm2. In other words, GH-6 could have had 306 MPX Quad Bayer sensor, if using the same technology. But it's "happy" with 20 because that's its lot in life. It takes other people's hand-me-downs.
And that was a 70mm2 sensor too. MFT is around 225 mm2. In other words, GH-6 could have had 306 MPX Quad Bayer sensor, if using the same technology. But it's "happy" with 20 because that's its lot in life. It takes other people's hand-me-downs.
Thomas Smet
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Pro reviewers have said for years the gap between DFD and phase detect shrinks every time a new camera or firmware comes out. They have felt that eventually DFD could even be superior. It all comes down to processing power and the speed.
Phase detect is no the end all solution to AF. It was just. good option for video AF at the time when DFD performance was not so great for video. In many ways I consider DFD to be superior to phase detect. Its just it needs a lot of processing to constantly chnage focus for video on a moving subject without pulsing all over the place.
I love DPAF on my R6 compared to the AF on the GH4 but it is far from perfect. I'm kind of surprised so many swear by it so much. Its nice but it can't do everything.
A 5x faster DFD system means 24p could in theory now focus as fast as 120p could focus on the S5 or G9 with the latest firmware and thats pretty impressive. Many already consider 60p to now be pretty darn good for AF on Panasonic cameras with only 24p really trailing behind. That may now be completely changed forever.
Phase detect is no the end all solution to AF. It was just. good option for video AF at the time when DFD performance was not so great for video. In many ways I consider DFD to be superior to phase detect. Its just it needs a lot of processing to constantly chnage focus for video on a moving subject without pulsing all over the place.
I love DPAF on my R6 compared to the AF on the GH4 but it is far from perfect. I'm kind of surprised so many swear by it so much. Its nice but it can't do everything.
A 5x faster DFD system means 24p could in theory now focus as fast as 120p could focus on the S5 or G9 with the latest firmware and thats pretty impressive. Many already consider 60p to now be pretty darn good for AF on Panasonic cameras with only 24p really trailing behind. That may now be completely changed forever.
Thomas Smet
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NorBro
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If you keep the R6, try - if you haven't already - some of the RF 'L' lenses if you ever have a chance.
The 24-240mm and the rest of that similar line (35, 85, etc) are great with AF in general - but was surprised how much better some of the more expensive glass performs within the system.
I guess not really a surprise because of the money difference, but more of a surprise because Sony's system seems to work better with all of their glass.
The 24-240mm and the rest of that similar line (35, 85, etc) are great with AF in general - but was surprised how much better some of the more expensive glass performs within the system.
I guess not really a surprise because of the money difference, but more of a surprise because Sony's system seems to work better with all of their glass.
Why does anyone need an 800 horsepower engine? Well, Dodge thought they could do some business with it, marketing purposes aside. And, lo and behold, it created a different image for the brand. A positive image. To quote Max Bialostok, "It's good to be the. king, the king of old Broadway".
That's not the point. You can't - and certainly shouldn't - drive 211 miles per hour either. But that's what the Red Demon can do. And it's made. And purchased. Not in vast quantities - 3,300 in total - but the market cleared. And other Dodge vehicle, with engines ranging from 300 to 808 hp in power, sell well too. Because the car manufacturers don't cripple own product to please an alleged competitor. Because they are not a cartel.
ahalpert
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You're talking about enthusiast market. If camera makers can lure enthusiasts back from smartphones, then more power to them. I don't see professionals buying megapixels they don't need and can't resolve that would lead to massive and massively unnecessary filesizes
ahalpert
Major Contributor
Or they could put some mind-blowing tech in mft as a last hurrah before migrating it over to FF. After all, the strategy is to keep the grass greener on the other side of the fence so that the user base switches systems as often as possible
Fuji medium format camera has Sony's 102 MPX sensor and is selling well (for a $6,000 camera). It's great for portraits, for architecture, for landscapes. It's not an action cam but it fits a niche and is very successful at it. If no one was interested in 102 megapixels, the camera would be deemed a failure but it's a #1 Seller according to B&H (OK, it's among the medium format cameras but still), So, maybe 306 is a step too far at the present but this doesn't mean MFT can't offer higher innate resolution than 20.
stoneinapond
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A sage you are....
As I'd mentioned earlier, Samsung and Omnivision have already announced 200 MPX sensors.
More, at https://news.samsung.com/global/sam...ixel-technologies-to-new-mobile-image-sensors