stoneinapond
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Shooting from the hip. Missed. Yes, cameras (plural)
GH5 How interested are you in a GH6 anymore?
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Shooting from the hip. Missed. Yes, cameras (plural)
ahalpert
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you mean like this one, which says it was shot on gh5 mk2 by a 2020 NYU grad? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYYWLnencGM
The director they chose tells me everything about how seriously Lumix deserves to be taken at this point
Actually, I see 4 videos from Lumix Cameras that are premiering on 1/4. Each one says it was shot on Gh5 mk2
BTW, the discussion of sony and weddings was a propo of discussing DOF in MFT (is it shallow enough? my point being that full-frame isn't shallow enough for every purpose) and AF in MFT (if lumix implements PDAF, will their extant lenses do it well? my point being that it's complicated, in rebuttal to DLD's point that it's simple). But by all means, let's confine the discussion to guessing the GH6 release date
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stoneinapond
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When I first looked at these links there was no information as to cameras used. I had suspicions based only on the thumbnails that they were perhaps the GH5 mkII and mentioned the same, but also hoped for more. Now that's been confirmed. I don't think we need to read anything into the posting as to Panasonic's support for any segment of the creative community.
As you were.....
The positive angle from a non-announcement is that the specs may have been revised and the eventual release will be superior to those already quoted. The problem with the revision is that the sensor specs seem to be etched in stone (but not in a pond).
A break-the-pattern news would be that GH-6 will indeed have the specs long announced but that GH-7 is also in the works and will be coming out sometime in 2022, thereby rendering GH-6 as little more than GH-5 MKIII. Hypothetically, they could even rename it this way.
But they won't.
As to the AF, all Panasonic models have contrast detect only, with even the full frame S1R having only 225 AF points. Nikon Z9, which gets solid grades for its AF, has 493 phase detect AF points in the same full frame format, In the sensor sweepstakes, Panasonic must have pulled the shortest straw..
A break-the-pattern news would be that GH-6 will indeed have the specs long announced but that GH-7 is also in the works and will be coming out sometime in 2022, thereby rendering GH-6 as little more than GH-5 MKIII. Hypothetically, they could even rename it this way.
But they won't.
As to the AF, all Panasonic models have contrast detect only, with even the full frame S1R having only 225 AF points. Nikon Z9, which gets solid grades for its AF, has 493 phase detect AF points in the same full frame format, In the sensor sweepstakes, Panasonic must have pulled the shortest straw..
Peter C.
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I thought the reason was that there wasn't really much to talk about because they keep pushing back the release date and there's no specs. So all you can do is speculate what they might add, what features are desired by pros, can it compete against FF if price the same?
With Black Magic taking the budget cinema camera niche away and FF Sony/Canon dominating every where else where does that leave the GH6. We could only agree on that it has cheaper lenses, a little better stabilization, and doesn't over heat like Canon.
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stoneinapond
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Peter C.
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I missed the specs release. Without knowing them I would assume they'll upgrade to a faster processor, that will increase the speed in areas like AF and frame rate, maybe a newer sensor with a little more resolution. But I couldn't see anything ground breaking because the limitations of M43. Then it will come down to tests and debating whether the improvements are noticeable or worth it. That's going to be subjective based on each persons needs and expectations.
Thomas Smet
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To be fair some of us brought up other cameras as a perspective of what the GH6 has to compete against. It was also a way to discuss m43 vs FF in general and if m43 still has a place in the world. All topics that will directly or indirectly play into the future success of a GH6.
Ironically while some of us have moved on we are still here almost daily which speaks volumes to what Panasonic has built over the years. Well at least for four of us. Moving on was to fill needs at the time for some of us but we still are all very interested in a GH6.
Realistically we are all going to be comparing it to Sony and Canon once it does come out. We are just getting a bit of a jump start since there is nothing else to talk about it anymore. A lot of safe assumptions can be made. If we had more to go on the focus of the discussion would be more about the GH6 itself. All we can really do at this point that has not been beat to death is figure out how the GH6 may compare to the many other options floating around out there now and try to determine its value to each of us.
I do fear once we get more detailed specs we may be looking at six months before it hits stores and could be many months before some are able to get their hands on them due to demand. Well we hope the demand will be that good. On the plus side if it flops it will be easier to get one and it may even go on sale pretty quickly which is cool for the m43 loyalists that will want one even if Panasonic goes under shortly after its release. I don't mean the entire company but the camera division of course. Even if it does cease to put out new cameras and lenses the GH6 will be solid for many years to come as will the m43 lens choices and the adapting potential.
Thomas Smet
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Is it just me or are new Sony E mount 3rd party lenses coming out every day? Kind of wondering if I shouldn't have went Sony now instead of Canon. Getting rather annoyed at the lack of 3rd party RF lenses.
ahalpert
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Yes, definitely - not much to talk about without the actual camera release. But we know what the format is (m43), so it's always worthwhile to discuss m43's pluses and minuses.
Panasonic IBIS is probably a LOT better than Sony, IMO. With the electronic stabilization, the Sony gets close. But it's a compromise and still not even as good, I think. (I'm almost hoping that Panasonic stops making mirrorless cameras so that Sony would be free to improve its IBIS. But then I'd have to buy a new Sony, which I wouldn't want to do anyway...)
Speaking of overheating and reliability generally - I feel like the appeal of the GH series was always the basic reliability and function. 4K internal, good internal codecs, no overheating, no time limits, etc. That's why I bought a GH2, GH4, and GH5. In some ways, perhaps the Pocket 6K Pro takes that ball and runs with it by adding ND. But I would think that most of the folks who bought a GH5 because it just WORKED at a time when crippled full-frame cameras were also available -- those folks probably aren't interested in overheating timer workarounds.
ahalpert
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Just in time to be used by the robot cameramen who replace us
ahalpert
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grass is always greener. but yes, lens options was one reason I went with sony over canon. cost of ownership thing. (and the cameras are generally a bit cheaper. sony is a little cheaper all in all.) on the other hand, canon has movie AF (which settles in to the mark, right?) which is good. better IBIS. raw internal (though not on the r6). probably better skin tones (or at least, a color science that seems oriented around good-looking skin. maybe as a result sony looks a little better on everything that isn't skin. I mean, I'm happy with my sony color but the skin isn't always effortless like it was with the c300.)
it does look like samyang has stopped production of RF lenses. that's troubling!
ahalpert
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Perhaps not. but when Fuji launched the XT3, they had Matthew Libatique (DP of Iron Man 1 and 2, all of Darren Aronofsky's movies) shoot a short with it. I doubt he ever touched that camera again, but enlisting him to launch it made a statement!
stoneinapond
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Lesson number one. Don't judge a book by its cover, or video by its thumbnail.
Lesson number two. Things change.
Looked at several of the videos we talked about yesterday. Descriptions changed overnight to shot on S5. Images look nice, don't have time to watch them in their entirety but will later on. I don't know what any of that means for a GH6. Next stop CES live event.
Lesson number two. Things change.
Looked at several of the videos we talked about yesterday. Descriptions changed overnight to shot on S5. Images look nice, don't have time to watch them in their entirety but will later on. I don't know what any of that means for a GH6. Next stop CES live event.
Zim
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Jan 6 maybe something
https://youtu.be/PnSzKn-MhgY
https://youtu.be/PnSzKn-MhgY
Zim
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Peter C.
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So basically what I speculated.
Sounds like they not going to try to compete on AF or light sensitivity so they pop in a 5.7k sensor with faster a processor and call it a day.
It's not a terrible camera. I think Panasonic might not have planned on building a GH6 but because their FF aren't competing well with Sony/Canon, they decided it might be better to retreat back M43 where they have some advantage.
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Peter C.
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It's not as simple as that. They can't put a FF sensor from the S1 into GH body. They probably had to wait for Sony to build them one or find another manufacture to make M43 5.7k sensor. That's probably the reason for the delay.