GH4 GH5 users, hold off on today's Adobe CC update

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Steve Ogden

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Like a fool I installed today's CC updates assuming they'd have fixed the issue with the 10 bit files. Since receiving my GH5 two weeks ago, I've used AME to transcode the internally recorded 10bit files to DnX HQ & HQX. Everything fine, really enjoying working with the VLOG-L footage. Today, after installing the update, things are worse. Previously I would see thumbnails in AME as a file was processed. Today, I only see a black rectangle. When I import the file into Premier Pro it's now audio only. In Prelude & PP, the file icons now appear as Audition icons (waveforms) instead of the question mark. Yesterday, despite the "?" icon, AME would encode the MOV files to a perfectly fine DnX file. And I tried it with the same MOV files that successfully transcoded yesterday.
I'm on a fairly recent Windows 10 64bit OS computer with a GTX1080 graphics card.
 
Came across that warning just now, too late for me. Kind of funny, they show a response from Adobe customer care telling people to transcode. . . I could before the update.
 
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Steve Ogden said:
Came across that warning just now, too late for me. Kind of funny, they show a response from Adobe customer care telling people to transcode. . . I could before the update.
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This is really sad. It isn't as if we haven't known for a half a year the GH5 was coming. This new Adobe release should have been perfect timing to support the format.

The response from Adobe is a classic clueless response that helps nobody. Kind of hard to transcode when the decoder can't even use the files as a video clip. If they meant use a 3rd party tool or AME then the support person should have said that instead of the worlds most useless response.
 
The stupidity of some companies is at times only surmounted by their ignorance of a customer's needs. Sometimes I'd like to have hands the size of seal's fins to perform the appropriate facepalm.
 
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Vegas 14 is really no better with much the same response of showing a green screen and the audio. EDIUS WG 8.3 plays all the GH5 files native just fine at least all the ones I have tried from my GH5. That is 4K 10 bit 4:2:2 , UHD at 60P and HD at 60P. I have not tried AVCHD as I will not use and expect those to work.
 
HD Cinematics Convert V4? Cheap enough if it works. I only have v2 here or I would request a clip to try transcoding.

What about Sony Catalyst Browse, it clumsy but it converts, Catalyst Prepare would probably be better but costs money.

As far as I know, all of the above are based on ffmpeg/ffmbc so something like Handbrake might also do the deed.
 
Not sure what is going on over at Adobe, but on the photographers side of life some of their updates have been piss poor as well. Everything was peachy until recently with their updates where now I have all sorts of issues in PS. On the video side, I use FCPX and on the Gh5 I have no problems working with it.
 
Bruce Watson said:
It seldom pays to be an early adopter with any Adobe product. As you now understand.
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I've learned my lesson. For the past two weeks I've looked forward to them fixing the GH5 10bit issue. When the update was released yesterday I let my hope & expectations override my good sense. Never again. . .
 
In my experience Premiere has had many problems crashing with 10 bit H.264 4:2:2 footage not just with GH5 footage.
But at any rate it is better to either transcode or use proxies anyway as non-intra H.264 is not suitable for editing.

I would recommend ffmpeg, it is free and has many transcoding options including all-intra H.264 (make sure it is the 10 bit version of x264), ProRes, DnxHx and Cineform.
 
Jim Simon said:
One could make a decent argument that by extension, it's also not suitable for shooting.
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I disagree.

H.264 is a great codec and assuming you use a large enough bitrate can compete with other codecs just fine.
The problem for editing is inter-frame H.264.

And as other people already said in other topics the quality difference between intra-frame 400Mps and inter-frame 150Mbps may not be that large.
 
Bruce Watson said:
No, this is really Adobe. Search back through the archives. This is standard Adobe behavior. It seldom pays to be an early adopter with any Adobe product. As you now understand.
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I have always understood this and have used Premiere off and on since the mid 90's. I was stating how sad it is that Adobe never learns or improves.
 
Just fyi, last night I found that if I set my luminance level on the GH5 to anything but 0-1023, my 10 bit files will import correctly. Hope this helps others.
 
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