Ryan Farnes
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4K 60p in the GH5. Does it have any kind of 120fps though, even at lower resolutions? I haven't seen anything indicating this which makes me think that 60p is as overcranked as this camera will go.
GH5 Available for Pre-Order at $2k, amazing features.
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Ryan Farnes
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Samuel H
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Those are not particularly demanding situations. All I see there is that there are lots of situations where both cameras have enough DR.
But I shoot "no budget" 90% of the time, and that means I have to work with whatever light the place has. I'm not switching cameras to get anything with less DR than what I already have (much less, switch brand, mount and sensor size).
I understand there are lots of happy Panasonic users, but I'm DR-obsessed, so I don't like them. YMMV.
Ryan Farnes
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I'm coming from a GH2. The hacked flavors of a GH2 have been amazing, particularly just for personal stuff. But that is video. The stills side of it has always disappointed me having used a 7D, Rebels, 5Dii, etc...not even the newest DSLRs from Canon, yet lightyears ahead of the GH2 it feels like. How has the stills side been in the GH3 and especially the GH4? I know a big issue I had with my GH2 was the longer exposures were always weird. I wasn't confident that it was uniformly exposing the sensor across the entire span of 5 seconds or 30 seconds or whatever. Noise seemed to creep in immediately in anything other than broad daylight.
I've heard how the Sony A7 cameras seem to be killer stills cameras on top of the video they do. I'm hoping the same might be true of the GH5. Have the more recent GH models been incorporating really good stills quality, particularly the GH4? Good enough for personal hobbyist photography? Or are they lacking in some obvious ways? I'm thinking this will indicate the trajectory of whether to expect good stills on the GH5 or if I would need to go to another camera to get the stills quality I'm after.
I've heard how the Sony A7 cameras seem to be killer stills cameras on top of the video they do. I'm hoping the same might be true of the GH5. Have the more recent GH models been incorporating really good stills quality, particularly the GH4? Good enough for personal hobbyist photography? Or are they lacking in some obvious ways? I'm thinking this will indicate the trajectory of whether to expect good stills on the GH5 or if I would need to go to another camera to get the stills quality I'm after.
StarCoreFilms
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This is what I've been really curious about, but everything regarding it has been super vague thus far or no mention of dynamic range at all except in this review I just found. I just came from a site reviewing the GH5 saying Panasonic claims it has 16 stops of dynamic range, but the reviewer said it appeared to have 15 stops of usable dynamic range, which would still be massively impressive. Both sound very unlikely, but who knows. I can't find any other information on the GH5's dynamic range, which I'm sure Panasonic would be bragging about in the specs if it had 15 or 16 stops, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt. In such a long review it just seems so random to assert that Panasonic claims 16 stops of DR when none of their specs I've seen seem to mention this at all. Why mention that if he didn't get that information from somewhere? Looks like an amazing camera, but I won't hold my breath for 16 stops or 15, probably not even 13.5. If it has even near that much or will with the HDR hybrid log gamma then I'm definitely upgrading. I'm hoping we don't get stuck with 12 stops though, because the Ursa Mini 4.6k DR looks so beautiful, and I'd hate to have to lose a few stops of DR by going with the GH5 instead for all of the great features included.
Samuel H
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The HDR video feature is not ready yet: they say it will be out in "Summer 2017". It's supposed to work in 4k so it shouldn't work on alternating rows. My guess would be that it works similarly to HDRx on the RED EPIC. But we'll have to wait a few months before we get to see how good it actually is.
It's not either and actually is exactly what it says - gamma (on the shadows) and log (on the highlights). Performance is currently unknown (since, as Samuel pointed out, it's still in development).
Ryan Farnes
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(and can someone help me solve the greatest mystery on earth? how to embed a youtube clip on DVXuser?)
EDIT: Thank you. Seems I need to pull the URL straight out of the browser's navigation bar. I have a habit of using the direct link under "share" on YouTube.
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Danilo Del Tufo
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New footage shot with Panasonic GH5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0MliHsB06Q
To be honest, I am greatly disappointed by the images of the GH5 so far. As an owner of the GH series I have expected a much greater leap in image quality. This feels like the move from GH2 to GH3 (which I left out for this reason). Where is the real improvement over the GH4 + external recording (for straight 25p shooters like me)? I did expect a noticable increase in dynamic range along with the better specs. :crybaby: Am I wrong?
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Real appeal to people like me who want UHD 60P and the future in HDR, 2 SD slots, XLR etc
stoneinapond
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If this is the only footage you've seen, then no, you are not wrong. That stuff looks suspicious to me... the whole "Panasonic lent me a camera for a day" just doesn't square with my experience prior to release.
If you have seen other footage and still feel the same way, then I guess the GH5 is not for you.
filmguy123
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we've all seen footage on the GH4 (and a7s and even red for that matter) that looks trashy, and footage shot on old 7ds and af100s that look spectacular. It's obvious from the age of the kids in there - and clearly over-exposed or poorly composed shots - that this wouldn't be a clip to judge much by even if it's legitimately a GH5.
TheTrickster
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From that persons youtube channel...
"reel color" (4K) - 1,746 views 8 months ago
My final film project in the 9' grade in school.(shooted with the g7)
Hmm......
Thomas Smet
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The move from each version has always been incremental. Gh1 to GH2 eliminated the need to have a hack to have 24p and it had fairly clean HD right out of the camera. The extra boost in quality came from hacking which had nothing to do with Panasonic themselves.
GH2 to GH3 was about no longer needed a hack to get great HD video. Same HD format more or less since the GH1 and GH2 but now we had 50mbps in the camera.
GH3 to GH4 was a boost in terms of going from HD to 4k but really it was a similar sensor, body and capabilities as what the GH3 had. The sensor was only now capable of spitting out more of the sensor to record 4k video vs just HD video. While the 4k has been a big improvement for some people many are still delivering HD and the down conversion from 4k to HD yields finer details, less artifacts and an overall cleaner look it is still HD and so is the video from the GH3. GH3 HD and FHD modes on the GH4 are still very good quality.
GH4 to GH5 is about how can you get top quality from the camera without adding a bunch of extra gear. The move to 10bit is actually massive and a game changer in terms of the quality you can get in this class of camera without having to use an external recorder. The sensor itself may not be a massive change but it no longer has the extra crop for 4k video, supposedly much better scaling from the full sensor, better color, better internal codec by far and a better signal to noise ratio. Thats not even counting all the other features like the potential for 24bit audio, the in body stabilization which is big for adapted lens users, extra scopes like waveform and vectorscope and the 6k photo mode which could lead to recording 5k video on the GH5. the ability to shoot open gate 5k 4x3 isn't an improvement over the GH4?
I would call this a massive update. If you just look at what some random person shot randomly outside with a group of friends and judge the camera you are really missing out on 90% of what it really brings to the table. We live in an age where video is exceptional from a wide range of cameras. The days of mind blowing advancements in image quality are more or less over.