GH5 Available for Pre-Order at $2k, amazing features.

What would do it for me is a Locking EF to M43 mount with some way to make the m43 mount more inflexible too. If the GH5 has more professional lens mount solutions (other than PL adapter which are very good), I would be very interested!
 
I'm a bit troubled by the fact that they seem to be overselling the specs. According to both BH and dpreview, the sensor is 5184x3888, yet Panasonic makes a big point of the "6k photo" mode.

I'm not alone in thinking this is weird: dpreview said:
Don't go assuming that '6K Photo' mode is taking images from an area of the sensor 6000 pixels across: it isn't. Instead it's capturing images with the roughly the same number of pixels as a very widescreen 6000 x 3000 video clip would have. It's not the most misleading marketing statement we've ever seen, but be aware that 6K may not mean quite what you might expect.
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This is not a camera I would preorder, unless I was already a fan of the GH4 (which I'm not, but you may be).
 
^ Very informative, thanks. 4k 60 fps is very nice to have, but if it has to come at the price of the typically low DR of the Panasonics (as seems to be the case from that video), then it's not for me. GH4 fans will love it.
 
Samuel H said:
I'm a bit troubled by the fact that they seem to be overselling the specs. According to both BH and dpreview, the sensor is 5184x3888, yet Panasonic makes a big point of the "6k photo" mode...
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There's a discussion on the subject on the GH5 related forums. To sum up the tech, in the anamorphic mode, GH5 will provide in excess of 18 MPX, which is kind of/sort of 6K.
 
Illya Friedman said:
Super35 is great, but it is not the be all end all. As has been said many times, it is a 4/3 sensor not an MFT. MFT is a mount standard not a sensor. Beautiful (Oscar winning) movies have been shot with much smaller formats. It's far better to have a great sensor than a larger one that is inferior.
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Oh, I am aware. I already pre-ordered the GH5 and have shot stunning content on the GH4, some of which I think looks much better than what some people but out on even RED camera systems.

Even so, m4/3 sensor size has some definite limits and there's an aesthetic the larger sensor cameras have that merely can't be replicated on the small sensor size, no matter what bitrates or other features you throw in the mix. The point isn't if you can do great work on it.

I'm not trying to be negative, because let's be real: If this was an S35 sensor it would basically be a VaricamLT. I'm literally shocked how much is packed into this guy.

For me it's still a definite compromise in IQ, but there's nothing else at this price point or segment (including Sony) that offers such a compelling package. Sony A7 series does not have VFR (only 3 presets for extreme slow motion), as good of color science, as great of menus or useability, etc. If Panasonic released a $5,000 answer to the A7s/FS5/FS7 it would destroy... but there's no way it wouldn't cannibalize the VaricamLT. So I get it.

Until then, I look forward to March :)
 
Fahnon said:
Been down the Amazing Specs road a few times the last couple of years, including owning the original GH4. I need to see independent DR and high ISO tests before I can get excited.
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This^^^^^^^^^^^^

I was an early adopter of the GH4 also based upon specs. I bought it, used it, was NOT happy with the noise, skin tones, audio, so I promptly sold it after using it to shoot a PBS doc. Clients didn't like it either. GH5 has great specs but unless that noise has been fixed, along with audio and orange/cyan biased pastel skin tones, no thanks. I've seen some nice work shot with the GH4 but it was either scenic travel footage or heavily post massaged with V-Log, not my bread and butter which is beautiful skin tones for interviews and image/PR pieces with Hollywood talent.
 
puredrifitng, in defense of the GH4/GH5 - with vlogL and internal 10bit in the GH5, "heavily" post massaged would be a bit of an overstatement. It seems in GH5 you can shoot in Vlog, monitor in Rec709, find a LUT you like with skin tones that please you, and leave out any "heavy massaging"?

As I understand the noise is one of the biggest improvements in the GH5. It still won't match a S35/FF sensor in lowlight, but from what we've been seeing (check the GH5 thread), noise is dramatically better.

The audio now also has a $400 module which has yet to be tested but should do the job quite nicely while maintaining in camera sync.

Not saying it's the right tool for you, only that many of your complaints seem to have been addressed. Perhaps April will answer our questions for certain!
 
DLD said:
There's a discussion on the subject on the GH5 related forums. To sum up the tech, in the anamorphic mode, GH5 will provide in excess of 18 MPX, which is kind of/sort of 6K.
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I thought that the anamorphic mode will be something completely different from "6k photo"***2++? Is that not the case?
 
A lot of people didn't like the colors or DR of the GH4. Not the "right 10 bits" so to speak is worse than the right 8 bits.
Still, it's been three years since the GH4, so let's hope Panasonic learned in the meantime and produced a great camera. Time, and user experience, will tell.
 
Ok I don't want to pull this OT, but I'm genuinely curious (feel free to link me somewhere if there's a more robust discussion) - but I've generally read that people love and even prefer Panasonic's color science, and hear it referred to as a selling point of the camera. Not interested in debating a point, just genuinely curious as to what the problem is or what there is to dislike, since I usually hear complaints about Sony's color science instead?

In non technical terms, I might describe the colors of the AF100/GH4 out of box as "vibrant" or even cartoony to a certain extent, with bright/robust, well defined skin tons - with the Sony as a bit more washed out or muted, even pale by comparison (I don't mean that in a bad way at all, just by comparison - I actually really like the footage I see come out of the Sony cameras).

The other related question would be - when shooting in vlog (excuse my lack of understanding here), wouldn't the colors be dictated by the LUT used, and not the camera itself? I've seen a lot of GH4 vlog footage that looks nothing like that standard CineV profile colors.
 
filmguy123 said:
Ok I don't want to pull this OT, but I'm genuinely curious (feel free to link me somewhere if there's a more robust discussion) - but I've generally read that people love and even prefer Panasonic's color science, and hear it referred to as a selling point of the camera. Not interested in debating a point, just genuinely curious as to what the problem is or what there is to dislike, since I usually hear complaints about Sony's color science instead?

In non technical terms, I might describe the colors of the AF100/GH4 out of box as "vibrant" or even cartoony to a certain extent, with bright/robust, well defined skin tons - with the Sony as a bit more washed out or muted, even pale by comparison (I don't mean that in a bad way at all, just by comparison - I actually really like the footage I see come out of the Sony cameras).

The other related question would be - when shooting in vlog (excuse my lack of understanding here), wouldn't the colors be dictated by the LUT used, and not the camera itself? I've seen a lot of GH4 vlog footage that looks nothing like that standard CineV profile colors.
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I think by and large, people are referring to Panasonic's older cameras (e.g. varicam 2700) versus the GH line up.
 
Panasonic claims GH5 in vLog gives 12 stops of DR like the GH4. So without vlog it would be less. How much less that we don't know. And the 12 stops is actual 12 stops or not also we don't know.

Let the fans, fanatics and early adopters buy and share footage. Others can then see it for themselves and decide if it is worth half the hype.

The marketing department appears to have gone a bit overboard and we need to allow for things to settle down a bit before deciding.
 
indiawilds said:
The marketing department appears to have gone a bit overboard and we need to allow for things to settle down a bit before deciding.
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It's good they got people talking...for them and for us. Need more new cameras full of amazing specs.

They can explain themselves later.
 
If the GH5 doesn't have more DR than the GH4, then I think it's not for me...

Before Vlog was out, I measured the GH4 with CineLike D and contrast=-5 at "three stops less DR than an a7S with slog2" (link). How much better is V-log-L than CineLike-D in terms of DR?
 
Adam Wilt measured 12 stops for the gh4 with v-log and reports are that the gh5 may have a tad more dr so it's likely to be about the same as the a7s with slog2 - but you've got 10 bit to play with
 
On the other hand, I recall highlights versus shadows DR, as Samuel's tests properly report, by the way : )
RED ONE's shadows example being the finest one. Do you remember?

E :)
 
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