Gentlemen.... (P2 beep)

HerzogisGod

HerzogisGod

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Beyond the absolute horror of the P2 Beep noise embedded in the audio, what have those facing this situation been doing regarding filming?

I just noticed the beep sound this afternoon. The beep has destroyed the last two days of filming for me. Filming I cannot re-shoot.

My film is ruined...what are the rest of you doing about it?
 
The only thing that may help is to use the second P2 slot.

Did the noise come from both slots?
 
If you're editing on FCP, there's a fairly large arsenal of tools that could be used to help rescue the audio.

To be frank with you, this is the first time I've read about this issue, and I've cut features shot on P2 and not heard anything untoward.

Maybe if you sent me two short samples, a) noise alone, and b) noise with dialog, I could experiment a little and see what you can do?

Cheers
Chris
 
Oh my God...this is no joke!!!

I just got home and was able to listen to all the audio from the last two days...

Beeping on everything....

I dubbed the footage to DV tape and the beep is present

I was hoping it was just on one channel, or maybe a right side left side thing, but no.

I make dramatic films...this means lots of quiet spaces while actors reflect...the beeping is everywhere...

I would really like to know what fellow filmmakers who have this problem are doing about thier shoots....

Im officially stopping production until this is resolved
 
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I"ve done a little research and apparently it has something to do with card formatting an slot 1.
I say again, send me a short sample of your problem and let me see if I can do anything to help solve it.
There's a reason sound people get paid, you know. And also a reason why audio post typically takes much longer than picture post.
There's also a thing called ADR, if you're not aware of it.
Don't panic, you can save your film still.

I've been doing audio post professionally for a while.
If it can be fixed, I can recommend a way.
 
I'm with emotepix on this one. Don't completely panic yet. Post a bit of the audio. It may be able to be removed in post. You mentioned quiet times where actors "reflect". I am sure you could remove the sound and replace with other nat.

However, I have to ask. You shot for two days and never played anything back? Having been in the biz for about 30 years I can't imagine ever not checking your sound in the field. Lots of things can happen between a sound source and the recording medium.
 
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...might be a (wireless) mic issue, not an HVX issue....post a clip of the sound....PS I agree, Herzog IS god...
 
Basically, for anything where audio is important, I'm sadly recording via FW to a laptop. It really sucks. As I've posted, the problem for me is in both slots, regardless of formatting.

Please, anyone experiencing the problem, please go to http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=106343 and post details of your camera age/serial #, P2 card size, and slot-dependence!
 
Nah that's cool. The problems only really starting to hit the forums just lately since there are now a lot of 16 and 32gb cards out I guess.
 
The 4GB P2 cards also make sounds (haven't heard from anyone with an 8GB card yet) but the character of sound is much more like random noise; so not as noticeable as a beep. However, if you listen carefully as you start and stop recording, you can hear it clearly (on some camerasd, at least!). So, yes, it seems like with the new card sizes people are finding the sound more noticeable.
 
I always check my audio...In fact, I work the camera and always wear headphones...yet for some crazy reason I just noticed it this morning.

I started going over the shots again more carefully and it seems that the Beep totally drops out whenever there is any sought of sound; dialog, movement etc. So yes, for the scenes I shot the past two days, I can work in room noise and such between lines. It may not be perfect but it will elimate most of the distracting beeping.

I put a P2 card in slot 2 and hit record. No beep. Although Im not fully confident in this solution yet because I havent tested the second slot enough.

I will in the future be fully conscious of this horrble defect and listen very closely before saying "action" and putting my actors time and energy to waste.

What this amounts to, in the end, is a lot of extra work, Post. We go to great lengths to capture good clean audio using professional sound equipment and then this!!! Something beyond our control.

I wouldnt be this upset if the actress I used the past two days needed to fly back to California tommorow morning. No time for a re-shoot in this case. Her performance was flawless and beautiful and I cant help feeling like I screwed her over in a big way....

But like I always say, adversity sparks the creative juices. And at the very least, it seems Im not alone in this.
 
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Well that's good news.
What's better news is that if the noise is only between people speaking then the Soundtracks Pro noise reduction plugins will probably take care of it without having to chop all the syllables out.
Try to analyse, then fix a shot or two. You'll be surprised how much it cleans up.

As the other threads say, if you reformat your card the noise will probably go away, even in used in slot 1.

HTH
Cheers
Chris
 
thanks Chris

Currently I do not have a NLE so Im just storing everything onto two hard drives with an emergency DV back up.

Ill try and post some audio clips. If you could take a listen Id really appreciate it.
 
Good deal, Chris.
Just email me the clips
emotepix at artnet dot net
or if you have a mac then I have a dot mac account too.
I'll have a quick listen.
Cheers!
Chris
 
emotepix said:
Well that's good news.
What's better news is that if the noise is only between people speaking then the Soundtracks Pro noise reduction plugins will probably take care of it without having to chop all the syllables out.
Try to analyse, then fix a shot or two. You'll be surprised how much it cleans up.

As the other threads say, if you reformat your card the noise will probably go away, even in used in slot 1.
Click to expand...

The noise is there regrdless of other sound... it is just masked to some extent by other sound. This is why it often seems intermittent or elusive.

Noise reduction plugins tend to work with steady-state sound; not with periodic beeps. However, I'm interested to see how they do. The beeping can be EQd out, but that of course affects your overall sound.

In my case, at least, reformatting the cards (about 20 cycles now) has made no difference.
 
what is panny doing about this? i agree that these problems can be dealt with. audio is always getting screwed up by something. that's why we do adr sessions. personally i think it's safer to record audio separately. have a pro sound guy on top of that always using his own recording device. had you done this, you wouldn't have likely gone two days without knowing this was going on...
 
Nobody records their master audio to the camera. The camera is generally much too far away from the subject for even a shotgun mic to be even remotely effective.
 
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