Filippo Chiesa Video

Barry,

any idea why the downloaded movie from Filippo flickers in QT 7 on Macs. Works with VLC though. Any idea?
 
Seems to me that Vimeo and the like pose a relevant test that shouldn't be discounted. If it looks decent there, then you know it will look that much better when viewed in full resolution on good monitors.
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Wow! One of the most intelligent and insightful comments I've read of the last few thousand ones around here in the past few days. If you are able to figure that one out you are way ahead of the game. People that realize that is the case have no problem figuring out how good the camera can be. And that takes expertise.
 
The reason I, for one have been encouraging people to look at this stuff on a real monitor is twofold. First, I was down on this camera a bit until I had a chance to download the full res file from vimeo, with avc codec varying from 5-30 mb/s, and watch it on a real monitor. This revealed a quality about the footage which was simply not apparent in the small file. Subtle changes in DOF that are not easily perceived in a little vimeo laptop setup, and an absence of nasty aliasinfg that plagues DSLR. I think DSLR looks better to some people in a small window because its exaggerated shallow DOF is simply more apparent. But it is much shallower than real 35mm motion picture. The AF100 footage looked actually much more filmic on the big monitor, with a DOF much more like 35mm motion picture. So people who have actually seen it this way, are ones urging others to do so - for good reason: It's very impressive. If you like exaggerated narrow DOF to hit you over the head, which may be desired in web video, than DSLR has that advantage.
 
bhdfield said:
DSLR ... is much shallower than real 35mm motion picture. The AF100 footage looked actually much more filmic on the big monitor, with a DOF much more like 35mm motion picture. So people who have actually seen it this way, are ones urging others to do so - for good reason: It's very impressive. If you like exaggerated narrow DOF to hit you over the head, which may be desired in web video, than DSLR has that advantage.
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AF100 = 35mm film DOF & 5D = VistaVision DOF
 
ustein said:
Barry,

any idea why the downloaded movie from Filippo flickers in QT 7 on Macs. Works with VLC though. Any idea?
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None whatsoever; I don't use the Apple computers and I avoid QT whenever possible, so -- I'm the wrong guy to ask that question of. We have many experts who can hopefully weigh in on the subject though.
 
Barry_Green said:
Philip and I spent way too much time with our 7-14 lenses, shooting fully wide 7mm. It was awesome. But, you're right -- those shots don't have that same "filmic" vibe as the shallow-DOF shots.
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This whole not "filmic" discussion has been silly and I feel fueled by people seeing wide fov deep dof shots and equating that to video. That is just plain wrong. In shooting a film one needs establishing shots which are generally wide and show the environment to ESTABLISH the scene. I have no idea how this could be done with a dSLR.
 
I don't know how many hundreds of projects I've shot over the past year or so on the HDSLR cams, but I'd consider myself pretty in-tune with what they're capable of. And to me, the AF100 looks leaps and bounds better. I've seen all the AF100 footage released to the public so far (at least I think) and while some of it is better than others, all of it feels deeper than my 5D/7D ever did. I don't know if its the higher levels of detail as a result of the codec, but something about it feels and looks inherently different to my eye. I honestly think that some people are being much too harsh on the footage given the circumstances under which it was shot, and in addition expectations might be a little too high for a camera that isn't even finished yet.
 
I can't wait to start using this camera.

I just shot 2 spots for Comcast with the 5d, and while the mediums and CU's looked great, there was one wide shot that totally broke down because it was shot from a hilltop looking down onto a small town with all of the tile roofs ringing like a bell. Ugh.
 
I am reluctant to even chime in here after the absolute roasting and nastiness directed at me on the previous thread (and some of those users are on this thread too) but I re-graded the footage on the plane home and it looks much better. I am hoping for a more dignified series of replies this time.

Oh and please do the footage justice by downloading it and play it on a big TV. Thanks.

http://vimeo.com/16724324
 
Barry_Green said:
This is a very keen observation too. Why are there so many wide shots? Because the wides are so much better on the AF100. We all felt liberated! We can shoot wide again! We loved shooting wide. Philip and I spent way too much time with our 7-14 lenses, shooting fully wide 7mm. It was awesome. But, you're right -- those shots don't have that same "filmic" vibe as the shallow-DOF shots.

I've seen some of Philip's work on the 5D/7D projected on a large screen at SxSW, and it was awesome. But it also largely ignored the wide shots -- because that's what the DSLR doesn't do well. Any time there was anything wide, it was either a stationary shot, or totally wide-open so that the background wouldn't alias (because Philip knows very well the limitations of what the DSLR doesn't do well, and avoids those). But with the AF100 those restrictions were lifted, so we got many more wide shots, and I don't know that that's what people really, deep down, wanted to see? Maybe Philip should go out and shoot DSLR-style with the AF100, doing one of his people-closeup films... I think the results would be quite interesting with that.
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Hopefully when I get the camera again at some point to test again I will...
 
DrHST said:
But the thing is, you want to showcase your product in the best light. Philip Bloom has no idea how to make a pana cam sing, and there's no excuse for not making sure he and others were set up to the best out of the product. Why the event was not better conceived I have no idea, but it's too bad, because as many people have noted, in it's class, it is the best option out there.
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I am a former HVX user/ owner and a professional DP who has used almost every camera out there. Yes, I don't know how to get the very best out of this new camera, nobody does yet as it isn't any finished yet. But I am as proud and happy with my footage, especially after the re-grade, as anything I have shot out there. Does that mean I have no idea how to make the camera sing? I totally disagree. I think what I produced looks pretty damn good hence I am ordereing one. I am exceedingly happy with this camera.

 
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Thanks for the re-upload Philip. The new grade is very nice, and it's nice to be able to download the clip and take a look at it in 1:1 mode at 1080p for the second time.
 
Phillip, so many people appreciate what you have done for the cause so don't let a few stinkers ruin the blessings and many thanks that you will be getting from respectful people. I think all of this is so much adeu about nothing... with people expecting a camera to be the harbinger of a new complete shift... NOPE.. it's not! But, it's exactly what so many people have been wanting. A DSLR in a proper form factor with improvments in a ton of the places that matter....

This reminds me of a rather slagging blog because Verner Hertzog said some negative comments about the RED. You soon have every freelancer in LA and every wedding guy in the world putting the guy down, and he's been one of the most influencial filmmakers for the past 30 years.... I mean, come on.. people!


There's so much of a noodeling and nitpicking quality that it's such a huge turn off. If you are happy with your 5D then go eat some flapjacks and shut the hell up! I for one appreciate all early info and take this as a part of the process.. So many other people are LOOKING FOR PROBLEMS AND FINDING THEM..... Jesus...
 
I downloaded the footage to a flash drive and watched it sitting two feet from a Panasonic 2009 50" G15 plasma. I was so close that I barely could see the entire screen at once and have to say it really looks beautiful! I'm a big Discovery watcher and the quality was on the same order. Fantastic!

I did the download because what really worried me was not clipped highlights but color banding I thought I saw on the Vimeo clip. I feared this became an issue when Philip re-graded so that was my real impetus to watch it on the plasma. I am very happy to say the banding that I thought I saw on the net was NOT there on the plasma. I am very excited about this camera! It creates beautiful theatrical film worthy footage in capable hands and Mr. Bloom's are just that.

Thank you Philip! Great stuff! Cheers!
 
philip bloom said:
I am a former HVX user/ owner and a professional DP who has used almost every camera out there. Yes, I don't know how to get the very best out of this new camera, nobody does yet as it isn't any finished yet. But I am as proud and happy with my footage, especially after the re-grade, as anything I have shot out there. Does that mean I have no idea how to make the camera sing? I totally disagree. I think what I produced looks pretty damn good hence I am ordereing one. I am exceedingly happy with this camera.

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Philip, I think you're right. And I'm guessing here, just guessing, you liked the footage you shot in Japan ok when you saw it there on your laptop FCP, spent a little time with it in the plane on your way home, checked it out on a good monitor at your home or work back in the UK, then you REALLY got to see the magic going on here, and ordered one. Just a guess. Beautiful work.
 
Thanks for the new upload Philip, looks great! I am glad you weren't deterred from posting by the massive amount of rude behavior the last few days.
 
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