EOS 5D MK II workaround: Converting 30p into 24p/25p

It does seem interesting.

Barry?

Thanks Lee for everything. I've become admirer of your workarounds.

About this vintage filmmaker (with who John Malkovich has worked for several features and I had the pleasure to be personally in touch with) -- 100 years old next December 11, still shooting (!) :

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0210701/

A former teacher (with who made his career) told me@filmschool, his secret has been to have always a solution for a problem, instead of an obstacle for an excuse.

Manoel de Oliveira began is career during 20s (silent cinema).



EDIT -- Here is Lee's post:
Lee Wilson said:
The HDMI output will be 30p (or 60i), so this route would be futile.

I would just convert the whole project at the end:

Here's a couple I did earlier . . . .

http://www.vimeo.com/2069928
http://www.vimeo.com/2072194
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I did change 30 seconds of 30p into 25p using timewarp in AE.
(Thank you mister Kramer)
On my (old) g5 dual 2Ghz it took 2 and a half hour !!
Imagen if you have to change 30 minutes :crybaby:
 
Emanuel said:
Thanks Lee for everything. I've become admirer of your workarounds.
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Cheers ! :)


Emanuel said:
About this vintage filmmaker (with who John Malkovich has worked for several features and I had the pleasure to be personally in touch with) -- 100 years old next December 11, still shooting (!) :
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All this technical exercise has been demonstrably shown to keep the brain young ! It has also been shown that keeping the brain young systemically keeps the body young.
 
mattsand said:
your weekends have 150 hours? damn i need to relocate. :)

/matt
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On an actual PC or MAC the numbers seem to be rather 1 minute of rendertime for 1 second of footage. A weekend should have about 48 hours so with the next computer generation (or a 8core MAC) you will be able to render a complete feature in a weekend. Not SO bad IMO. I personally get mentally prepared for that workaround. (Until the next Canon generation and then still have a nice B-cam)

The Foundry Furnace FCP plugin interpolates frames with motion vectors and claims to cope even with partwise hidden objects. The program also removes FLICKER!!!! (one more issue of 30p in the 50hz world)
 
I talked today with a Canon rep demoing this new 5D MkII camera (it looks nice) about including 24P & 25P as well as the 30p with full manual overide controls. He seems open to this idea and said Canon Corporate does listen to the reps and us potential buyers. I invited him to show up here at DVUSER and gather input from us.

Make your wishlist. Maybe we can find a degree of common consensus on what we cinematic filmmakers want on a camera like this. It's not too late for some changes.

thx
 
10s said:
Make your wishlist. Maybe we can find a degree of common consensus on what we cinematic filmmakers want on a camera like this. It's not too late for some changes.

thx
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You already put it: 24/25p & manual controls. Nothing more, nothing that could not be done. (at least for that price)
 
10s said:
I talked today with a Canon rep demoing this new 5D MkII camera (it looks nice) about including 24P & 25P as well as the 30p with full manual overide controls. He seems open to this idea and said Canon Corporate does listen to the reps and us potential buyers. I invited him to show up here at DVUSER and gather input from us.

Make your wishlist. Maybe we can find a degree of common consensus on what we cinematic filmmakers want on a camera like this. It's not too late for some changes.

thx
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I'm sure if your rep talks to Canon's video division, they'll be happy to slap him in the head.
 
f64manray said:
I'm sure if your rep talks to Canon's video division, they'll be happy to slap him in the head.
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We talked about that, as I put, they have a choice, you can either be first and get the market share or follow Nikon, Red and whoever else and be a follower lagging behind. It's not like this isn't going to happen, it's really a matter of who & when.

As far as competing with the video division, these cameras will never have a full blown audio section worth much, they don't have the best form factor for motion picture though that is being resolved by others, and there's nothing stopping the video division from using the same basic imager and lens system and making really great video cameras.
 
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I think canon has something up its sleeve, and will be introducing this technology on their future video cams.
 
I think the most transcendent moment will be the first feature shot on the 5d proyected on a big screen an nobody in the audience (besides 2 or 3 very EXPERTS) will see any difference compared to a RED or 35mm. All the flaws of this camera have workarounds and here are people on this forum who achieved excellent results with much less than a 5d.
 
Emanuel said:
It does seem interesting.

Barry?

Thanks Lee for everything. I've become admirer of your workarounds.

About this vintage filmmaker (with who John Malkovich has worked for several features and I had the pleasure to be personally in touch with) -- 100 years old next December 11, still shooting (!) :

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0210701/

A former teacher (with who made his career) told me@filmschool, his secret has been to have always a solution for a problem, instead of an obstacle for an excuse.

Manoel de Oliveira began is career during 20s (silent cinema).



EDIT -- Here is Lee's post:
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It should be nice to have his word on such conversion tests.
 
The fact is that to achieve a final quality product any film needs to go thru a rigourous post production process, with corrections and whatnot. The same will be with pro stuff shot with this Canon. Between the camera workarounds and top noch post production work there will be a whole bunch of high quality material coming out from this machine.
 
Gordon Prince said:
It should be nice to have his word on such conversion tests.
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30p to 24p is one of those scenarios where it just doesn't make much sense at all. It's a case of twisting something to do a job it was never designed to do. If someone wants to devote weeks and weeks to the task because they couldn't afford the right tool for the job, and they think that time expenditure is worth it to them, then nobody will tell them "no". But for anyone who values their time, just shooting on the right tool will be infinitely less painful.
 
loads of features are shot on sd video and people don't seem to notice that either. if it fits your vision, use it, don't worry about the audience so much.

/matt
 
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