Clermond
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It's kind of strange, but we'd all love them to slow down a bit...
good ol' times when you bought a Digibeta for the next five years. Or a Sinar 8x10 for your lifetime
E-mount FS700II 4K camcorder?
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good ol' times when you bought a Digibeta for the next five years. Or a Sinar 8x10 for your lifetime
S.Blanchardon
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The (now removed it seems) article in chinese said that it has "the same sensor size as F55". So it's a Super35 sensor.
Same sensor size doesn't mean it has global shutter but let's wait and see...
I am kind of thinking to maybe after Fs700 go Red instead? I sounds silly, but when you'll get broadcast module you can get smaller file sizes, more streamlined workflow. I know all the caveats but at least they tend to keep value much, much longer.
Oh well... Hard times, that makes you scratch your head to decide which way to go.
nyvz
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No, xdcam is an mpeg2 file based HD format. Originally it was on optical discs then solid state media, it was originally developed for HD cameras when 2/3in ENG cameras were the primary cameras in need of file-based compressed HD.
That seems a little silly, given they could also say it's the same sensor size as the fs700 or a lot of cheap DSLRs... I think they were hoping people read it as the same sensor as to be more sensational.
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seanmc
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No one else is commenting on the venting port? clearly this camera will be fan cooled...that's somewhat a worry (for narrative work) BUT if could mean better/longer HFR bursts.
XQD are pricey. Not RED pricey, but more expensive per GB than BM/CD SSDs.
If it is indeed the same sensor as the F55 and I can output RAW to the Odyssey 7Q, I will be selling my FS700 quickly! (once fan noise and media is confirmed)
XQD are pricey. Not RED pricey, but more expensive per GB than BM/CD SSDs.
If it is indeed the same sensor as the F55 and I can output RAW to the Odyssey 7Q, I will be selling my FS700 quickly! (once fan noise and media is confirmed)
First impression: Damn that thing is ugly
Doesn't quite seem like a FS700 mkII but rather something new and more of an URSA killer than a C100 killer (as some rumour had it to be).
I was hoping for something a bit more streamlined,
Why oh why don't they just copy JVC's approach and do a small version eng style cam (except the lens of course)!?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/video/news/jvc-announces-gy-hm850-and-gy-hm890-pro-video-cameras
morgan_moore
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Since the 5d2 there has been a time of fast change. I think we will go back to the 'five year camera' - simply 4k, 10+bits and HFR is pretty good.. in fact (puts head down).. rivals film so is kind of good for 'ever'
Of course we will want 1000FPS and a million ISO (which will come) but 4k10bit180FPS is really a good base for a long time.
This has been clearly a period of change which is a reason Ive cobbled along with the FS100 and used F3, because the 10kplus cameras seemed too much of a risk.
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Clermond
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I don't think so. The industry will create new features to outrival their competitors. One starts pushing and all others jump onto the train.
1080p would still be enough for years but everybody is claiming for 4K. Be creative to imagine new features. 6K, 15 steps of DR for everybody
is just around the corner.
Marino215
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"This has been clearly a period of change which is a reason Ive cobbled along with the FS100 and used F3, because the 10kplus cameras seemed too much of a risk"
You're smart. There's still nothing wrong with any of those cameras. Maybe I'm not getting the right calls but so far in 2014 I only got 2 calls for 4k. Can't even talk anyone into it. Maybe 2015 will be different. But I gotta say if you're looking for a camera with some longevity and you're going to spend the money, go Red. Best bang for the buck if you're holding on to equipment longer than 2 years. I think that's where I might be heading.
You're smart. There's still nothing wrong with any of those cameras. Maybe I'm not getting the right calls but so far in 2014 I only got 2 calls for 4k. Can't even talk anyone into it. Maybe 2015 will be different. But I gotta say if you're looking for a camera with some longevity and you're going to spend the money, go Red. Best bang for the buck if you're holding on to equipment longer than 2 years. I think that's where I might be heading.
morgan_moore
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Sure the manufactuers might but I have 'self confidence' or my own artistic 'bar' - Ive shot (still) film up to 6.6 and digital stills up to 22mp, had 12mp on billboards 30ft long. I know when enough is enough.
I make a reasonable living from stills with a 12mp nikon D3, no one ever asks the res of a stills camera cos you get 18mp for $500. Yep nikon tried to sell me a D4 and Phase digibacks are useful for building size images.
Ive been shooting recently on the BMC 4k and (well exposed) the files are just good enough for anything but whole walls. I also work for Silicon Core - who happen to make whole wall displays, and yes they fiddle with 8k but then you are talking displays that are big in an airport foyer. Ill be happy when my work makes Skyfall look muzzy - its enough.
Good AF and good live wifi streaming might appeal to clients, not res?
Clermond
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no matter what, there will be new features ;-)
(I have been asked by a client to switch from Canon to Nikon because of 36MP of a D800. I know that it's not necessary, you know that too - but obviously my client does not. It's risky to start this discussion because your good reasons might be seen as flimsy excuses and who wants a supplier with excuses? Congrats for your reasonable clients. Seriously!)
morgan_moore
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I equate Red with the 22mp Phase I bought in 2005 - a camera that really matched film unlike consumer-ish (Nikon D1) Digi Stills cams of the time which fell over on glossy/poster work. That Phase back got me into the glossy magazine market shooting digitally and at $20k basically gave me a three year head-start. Looking at stills we bought a Canon last week for $600 that at 18mp has an image as good as that Phase One, current Phase One backs are probably 60mp now but really they are an irrelevance specialist tool.
I think the 5dMk4 (or5) will have 4kraw and cost $2k, so Red will be irrelevant.
morgan_moore
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Just rent and bill them?
To be fair I have a D600 too - because the 12mp D3 falls over a bit if you do a letterbox crop and then do a huge correction of the verticals and a bunch of HDR on a bad exposure. But Id say 90% of clients just dont consider still resolution. Again I got that D600 because the D3 images (heavily corrected) didn't meet my personal standard when I could upgrade for $1500.
As for this mystery cam - If it is under $10k I reckon it will be a pretty safe purchase. I also feel the f55 is pretty safe too becuase really it is good enough. The C300 Ive always thought as a bit thin and under-ressed to be a five year cam (I thought the new price F3 as a risk too) - but many have paid them off already so good for them.
RED?
No way. They don't care about making huge price drops and there are so many out there that in many markets you can rent them for a pittance with an owner operator. The only camera worthy of a long term perspective is the Alexa. But of course you have got to poney up for that.
morgan_moore
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You think so? Seems too heavy and such a mission to shoot with, what about 'low' ISO - I think Alexa will go the way of the F35.. (and R1) nice image but too cumbersome and no AF and wont go on a cheap gimbal.
In stills $20k Phase backs used to be 'standard' with serious people but the D800, and even 5d2 really ended that era.
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Colinelves
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I won't be upgrading until the 4K Alexa comes out - and then I'll look into finance options (although lenses might be a worry - might have to pony up for a set of mini-S4s too!) because that will, without a doubt, pay for itself in a year and last another 4. Word on the street is 4K Alexa is 2 years away.
morgan_moore
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Id stick with your raw 4k AF camera!
Seems like a big risk unless the Lexy and Cookes have AF. Proper AF focus tickle will change the game and burn some lens owners. Canon will make AF work before Arri.
And that is kind of it IMO we are seeing the death throws of the lease/rental business model. Pay cash only.
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Agreed. But even a used Alexa EV package (camera + accessories) at around $40K would pay for itself and beyond in 2 years. In fact Alexa owners are the only ones I know who actually make it out of the red these days with their camera packages. I doubt that is the case with RED cameras unfortunately.
Lenses on the other hand are a much longer term wiser investment in my opinion actually.
S.Blanchardon
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You realize that your FS700 is also fan cooled ? It's small but still there so don't worry about the noise of the new camera.
XQD cards are still pricey yes, 1.1$ more per Go compared to AXSM cards. But given it's XAVC and not RAW, I hope we can record the same amount of time.
Hold on, it's highly unlikely that it has the same sensor as F55, it said F55 on the chinese website just to give a sensor size comparison, that's all. It should have said FS700 not to be so confusing. (my mind read same sensor as F55 at first)
I do hope it will output the same RAW signal as the FS700. If there there is an improvement on quality from the new sensor, I might sell my FS700 as well (if not keep it as a B-Cam)