Jan Rocks!
DVXuser.com EXCLUSIVE VIDEO: Jan Crittenden discusses Panasonic's camera announcements
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ProAmateur
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Indeed she does. What an incredibly cool lady. Such an asset to all DVXuser's to have her around. I am truly thankful and have an immense amount of respect for her. Thank you Jan.
Regards,
G.
Matt Gottshalk
Resident Preditor
Awesome.
Great to see a camera manufacturer who is so open to user input in regards to it's products.
Great to see a camera manufacturer who is so open to user input in regards to it's products.
alvenfilms
New member
Greetings to all, is my first message I think!, my question is ... are now going to forget the AG AF100?
Luis Caffesse
Admin
Under $6500, that's all we know so far.
mikkowilson
Steadi-Guru
Hello and welcome to DVXuser! :beer:
Definitely not! It was very much up front and center in Panasonic's presentations. - And the only camera to stand alone as a unique unit in their lines.
- Mikko
Definitely not! It was very much up front and center in Panasonic's presentations. - And the only camera to stand alone as a unique unit in their lines.
- Mikko
Will Clegg
Veteran
Was there an indication on the price of the AC130 and AC160? And when they will be available?
maranfilms
Veteran
she's a cool lady, ALWAYS CLASSY!!
Stephen Mick
Totally Usable
There are many different markets with many different needs.
Peter J. DeCrescenzo
Veteran
Agreed!
There are many things in life more important than, umm, size. ;-)
I vote for 10-bit 4:2:2 live HDMI/HD-SDI out ASAP!
But in the meantime the AF100 is a sweet cam & excellent value as-is.
Mike Harvey
Veteran
I believe the MSRP was under $4,000 and under $5,500, respectively. For comparison, the HMC150's MSRP (if I remember correctly) was $3,995 when first released and street was around $3,200-$3,500. Release date was "this fall".
Will Clegg
Veteran
Many thanks.
Jarek Zabczynski
Veteran
I wonder is the dual slot recording can be added to the AF-100 via firmware update.
Barry_Green
Moderator
You shouldn't count on anything being added to any existing camera via firmware update. They just don't do that, as a regular practice. They will fix bugs via firmware update, but they don't add features.
The HPX250 has that.
Peter J. DeCrescenzo
Veteran
Yes it does, but the HPX250 doesn't have a >2/3" sensor and sell for <$5K.
BMD & Atomos have now proven that 10-bit 1080p HDMI/HD-SDI I/O -- plus a heap of additional features -- can be included in devices selling for only a few hundred $ US.
So, something like a "AF100B" with live 10-bit HDMI/HD-SDI outputs for <$5K seems completely doable. Today.
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Barry_Green
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Black Magic has proven that if you have a device that doesn't do any work at all, it can sell for much less than those that do work. Same with the Red One -- they pulled all the processing out of the body, and were able to offer it for less than those that had all sorts of processing. You still have to do all that processing, it just moves it to a different point in the chain.
If you wanted a raw 10-bit output, that could potentially be done even cheaper than a 10-bit 1080p output. You could probably make a raw sensor dump to an external drive, dirt cheap. But it wouldn't work with any existing video infrastructure. So don't count on a video company doing that. If anyone were to try to do something like that I'd expect it from Red or Silicon Imaging or someone like that. Video companies make products that work in a video environment, and that means processing, and in that world 10-bits isn't cheap. No Canon does 10-bit at any price, no JVC does 10-bit at any price, and you have to get above a certain level before getting 10-bit out of a Panasonic or Sony.
These companies hire the best engineers in the world from the top schools. They're not dumb. They know what they're doing, and they do what they can. And they're in competition with each other, and all of them know that the one who does it the best, cheapest, wins. They know that. And given that, they do the best they can. If it's not happening already, it's because they can't do it. Not because they don't "get it", not because they're "protecting" higher-end models, but because it can't be done.
Look at the BlackMagic box -- does it offer codecs too? No? Why not? Ah, because the reason it's so cheap is because they *didn't* put all the processing and hardware and RAM and buffering and everything that a codec would require. So where's the unit that can store totally uncompressed, and also has codecs? Hmmm, that's the Gemini, and that's 20x more expensive. Why? 'Cause that's what it takes. You want a cheap unit with high quality, you can get it with the BM, but you'll pay for it on the other end in storage costs. External recording is probably the most cutthroat business out there right now, the most crowded and savagely competitive. And even there, you don't get everything for nothing. Why? Because they're "meanies" who are "holding back"? Of course not -- such a strategy would be absolute market suicide, because if someone's holding back, they'll be bulldozed by someone else who wants to win.
So if it doesn't exist, it's more likely because it can't exist yet.
If you wanted a raw 10-bit output, that could potentially be done even cheaper than a 10-bit 1080p output. You could probably make a raw sensor dump to an external drive, dirt cheap. But it wouldn't work with any existing video infrastructure. So don't count on a video company doing that. If anyone were to try to do something like that I'd expect it from Red or Silicon Imaging or someone like that. Video companies make products that work in a video environment, and that means processing, and in that world 10-bits isn't cheap. No Canon does 10-bit at any price, no JVC does 10-bit at any price, and you have to get above a certain level before getting 10-bit out of a Panasonic or Sony.
May seem that way to you, but to the folks who actually manufacture the gear, it's not possible. Look at the FS100 -- the F3 is 10-bit, at >$13,000, the FS100 is <$6,000 but it's 8-bit.
These companies hire the best engineers in the world from the top schools. They're not dumb. They know what they're doing, and they do what they can. And they're in competition with each other, and all of them know that the one who does it the best, cheapest, wins. They know that. And given that, they do the best they can. If it's not happening already, it's because they can't do it. Not because they don't "get it", not because they're "protecting" higher-end models, but because it can't be done.
Look at the BlackMagic box -- does it offer codecs too? No? Why not? Ah, because the reason it's so cheap is because they *didn't* put all the processing and hardware and RAM and buffering and everything that a codec would require. So where's the unit that can store totally uncompressed, and also has codecs? Hmmm, that's the Gemini, and that's 20x more expensive. Why? 'Cause that's what it takes. You want a cheap unit with high quality, you can get it with the BM, but you'll pay for it on the other end in storage costs. External recording is probably the most cutthroat business out there right now, the most crowded and savagely competitive. And even there, you don't get everything for nothing. Why? Because they're "meanies" who are "holding back"? Of course not -- such a strategy would be absolute market suicide, because if someone's holding back, they'll be bulldozed by someone else who wants to win.
So if it doesn't exist, it's more likely because it can't exist yet.