metrospace
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Is the Duclos 11-16 parfocal?
Duclos 11-16
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Scott Wellington
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yes. but so is the $700 tokina 11-16 in nikon or canon mount with out the mod. You can get duclos to cinemod the lens for $250.00 putting the delrin ring and the 80mm step up and declicking the iris, unless your really need it in PL, there's no reason to buy this...
It's my understanding that the Duclous 11-16 is completely rehoused and has a manual aperture added, as the tokina has an auto aperture. So there is definitely a point to buying it, provided you have the need.
aguia
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Actually. . .no (although matthew will probably pop in and slap me down) the Tokina 11-16 in Nikon mount has an aperture that can be manually controlled in most of the better nikon-m43 converters, I (and others) have gone so far as to build T-stop scale that works quite well on the converter aperture-ring. The Duclos 11-16 is completely rehoused and a masterpiece of workmanship for anyone who can justify the expense or is in some way handcuffed to PL mount.
metrospace
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There are advantages to PL mount lenses. The AF100 will have a limited lifespan, but a collection of PL lenses will be ready for the next camera. And they're ready for an F3 or Red anytime. Now, you could argue that you can put adapters on all those other cameras & make the Nikon mount work, but it seems like too much of a big workaround. I like the standard operation of a PL To me it's worth another $3k to get a more professional tool that's ready for the next 10-20 years. I know guys who've had their old Cookes & Zeisses that long and they still use them. So to me $3500 for a decent wide PL zoom is justified.
Paul Hudson
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Duclos mod/re-housed is definitely worth it...if you don't mind waiting in line for it.
If you can afford it, the Duclos is most definitely worth it.
It's analogous to comparing the Zeiss ZF.2s to the CP.2s; virtually the same glass, but far better build quality and better features/usability. Actualy, it's even more of an upgrade, because the Tokina has no manual aperture ring. Sure, you can use an adapter, but it's really not the same as a real aperture ring with real, accurate markings.
Also, Duclos bases the rebuild upon the Canon version of the Tokina, so it rotates in the correct cine direction (unlike the F-mount version most people probably purchase for use with an AF100). So it's 1st AC friendly.
I'm VERY happy I went for it. This will be a "classic" in my kit for many, many years.
It's analogous to comparing the Zeiss ZF.2s to the CP.2s; virtually the same glass, but far better build quality and better features/usability. Actualy, it's even more of an upgrade, because the Tokina has no manual aperture ring. Sure, you can use an adapter, but it's really not the same as a real aperture ring with real, accurate markings.
Also, Duclos bases the rebuild upon the Canon version of the Tokina, so it rotates in the correct cine direction (unlike the F-mount version most people probably purchase for use with an AF100). So it's 1st AC friendly.
I'm VERY happy I went for it. This will be a "classic" in my kit for many, many years.
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metrospace
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Bern Caughey
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All versions are parfocal.
aguia
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The biggest advantage to having a PL mount or PL mount adapter is that you can rent lenses instead of own them. If you are working in a market with rental resources that is a huge advantage not to mention that in business terms rentals are usually billable. So by all means get a PL adapter if its going to work for you. In functional terms and in a lot of applications PL mount and the Duclos rehouse version is not necessary, which is the beauty of the AF100; you can use a lens that costs $600 and the results should be indistinguishable from one that someone paid $3500 for. I admit that the PL mount gear impresses the clients on the set.
As far as future proofing goes, I don't have a crystal ball but I think a lot of lens techs will tell you that the future is electronic lens communications, including things like wireless iris, zoom and focus, lots of people do this already. Maybe more important are the sort of software optical sweetening thats going on in a lot of consumer cameras. 10-20 years? One thing I wouldn't do in this economy is lay a bunch of money into PL mount lenses thinking it was an investment YMMV.
Long term, I'd MUCH rather have a really high quality set of PL mount cinema lenses with geared focus, zoom and iris rings - and a programmable wireless control unit to control these things via the gears - than to be locked into a single lens manufacturer's electronic interface...
griplimited
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I've owned the Tokina in nikon mount before, never seen manual aperture on it. Is there a different version in the market that is sold without the duclos rehousing?
No; Duclos takes the Tokina (the Canon version, actually) and rehouses and rebuilds it - including adding the full manual aperture control ring.
There is no standard version of the Tokina 11-16mm lens that includes an aperture control ring.
Jon Furtado
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If you wanted to buy the nikon variety, what would be the best Nikon to M4/3 converter lens that controls the iris?
Erik Naso
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I like the Novoflex MFT/NIK
David W. Jones
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Erik Naso
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Oh snap! David YOU! are "the" lens whore. Congrats on that beauty!Well look what the FedEx guy just delivered!
I can't wait to shoot my cat and a random flower from the garden.
Ha!rogar-BigGrin(DBG)
David W. Jones
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Speaking of which, did your 17-50 show up?
or was it the 18-50?
or was it the 18-50?
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Erik Naso
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Hell yes!!!!! I'm editing a ton and can't get out and shoot. Ugh! I dont have a cat. This baby is cool looking. I'm going to get the update on the hood for $250. It makes it smaller at 114mm and a tad lighter. Considering the price its a value for a T2.9 17-50 zoom. Cant wait to try a slow push for the first time ever on the AF-100. I did notice that their is a little play in the zoom. About a 1/4" when changing directions from push to pull. Is this normal? Not a big deal but the lens is still under warranty so if it's supposed to be tighter then I want it looked at by RED.
Here she is!
