Doesn't Feel Like Panasonic Cares...

Well, limiting it to the discussion of consumer and prosumer camcorders, obviously, since that's what we're discussing here -- yes. What features have they added? Not bug fixes, but new features that didn't exist before.

Well the BIGGIE is the ability to write to alternate media for the EX1/EX3 series. That was a game changer.

They also enabled onboard diagnostics, improved PsF output features on the SDI port, added some tweakability to information displays, and a few other things. All in all, it's been a VERY welcome set of firmware improvements.
 
I agree with that too... The T2i is going to sell like hot cakes. Its cheaper than anything in its class and it can shoot some nice stuff. I think Panasonic would be smart to update the firmware to have a similar feature set (ext. monitoring audio adjust etc.) and make it body only and they could really compete and maybe beat it. Even if its a pay upgrade for us who own it already its still worth it.
 
That all depends on how you look at it like I mentioned earlier. The GH1 obviously includes a very expansive lens and if you sell it for as little as around $500 to $600, the Body of the GH1 is still much less than the T2i.
 
Yes I agree! As a long time Panny fan, I'm more than disappointed in Panasonic's lack of response to the changing world of video/photography. I understand the GH1 wasn't "intended" to be used as a video camera but neither was the 5D yet Canon was able to change the video landscape and industry with a couple of photography cameras. Yes I can wait and wait and wait for Panasonic to come out with something better, stronger, faster than the 3 cameras Canon currently has in the marketplace...or I can go out NOW and buy a 7D and start shooting beautiful videos (which is what I did). I wanted to get a Panasonic DSLR. Coming from the video world (DVX, HVX, 900s) I love the image Pannies make. I didnt want to buy a Canon but I couldn't keep waiting with no word of Panasonic, no hint that something was on the horizon. The least Panasonic could do to stay relevant would be to release firmware or just announce that they have something down the pipeline. Show me they care! haha...Canon announced 6 months ago that a 5d 24fps firmware was coming. I know people who bought the 5d just on the notion that "24fps is coming, its coming." The longer Panasonic sits idly by the more Canon users are born and the less consumers are avail to purchase the the GH2 or 3 etc. Panasonic definitely missed the boat on this one...but I do hope they catch up because in 2 yrs or so I'll be ready for my next generation VDSLR.
 
The updates you're looking for aren't going to come in firmware. They might come in a GH2 or other follow-up model, but they won't show up in firmware. That's just not how the business works or has ever worked in the past.
A lousy codec is a bug, not a feature. It must be fixed. As it is simply a computer code, it can be fixed by releasing a better firmware. If there is a conflict of power resources, say codec vs stabilization vs face recognition vs whatever else, then priorities must be reordered, and codec should be given a higher priority than before.

Yes, you can reflash ABS controller or a fuel injection controller with new firmware. I've heard of such cases, though I cannot name them right now, I need to search. If convulsions that a car makes at idle can be fixed with firmware reflash instead of replacing a camshaft, then so be it. I've heard of such "upgrade" programs. Not mentioning zillion of aftermarket tuning upgrades.
 
As it is simply a computer code, it can be fixed by releasing a better firmware.
You have no idea to what extent the codec is hardware or software. The main problem with the codec is its lack of B-frame support, not its bit rate. If the hardware could support B-frames, then why didn't Panasonic release the camera without that limitation?
 
You have no idea to what extent the codec is hardware or software. The main problem with the codec is its lack of B-frame support, not its bit rate. If the hardware could support B-frames, then why didn't Panasonic release the camera without that limitation?
How exactly support of B-frames depend on hardware?
 
Are you not aware of hardware codecs?

Canon's H.264 codec doesn't support B-frames either, and that is the reason why its bit rate is so high: Canon is compensating for a major technical shortcoming.
 
The GH1 is hardly a crippled product, comparing it to the Canon HDSLRs.

I agree. I see nothing but great video and great colors coming from it on vimeo...a lot less blocking going on and cleaner image. Less post correction needed too. There is a user on vimeo that will go on and on about how the bitrate is not so important to worry about on the GH1 because it has a dual cpu processor (if I remember correctly).
 
Are you not aware of hardware codecs? Canon's H.264 codec doesn't support B-frames either, and that is the reason why its bit rate is so high: Canon is compensating for a major technical shortcoming.
Yeah, I see what you are saying. After 3 years of successfully making AVCHD camcorders Panasonic pulled a crippled encoder chip from an obscure third-party vendor, or maybe they had a stock of unused chips sitting in a warehouse collecting dust, and they thought it would be a great idea of putting these bits of rusty silicon to work and get some cash back.
 
A lousy codec is a bug, not a feature. It must be fixed.
Okay, deal -- you get JVC, Sony, and Canon to recall every HDV camera ever made and get them to "fix" it, and I'll work on Panasonic to fix the GH1's codec.

While you're at it, I presume you'll also be demanding Canon fix their aliasing/moire bug that sprays purple and orange contamination all over the images too, right?

As it is simply a computer code, it can be fixed by releasing a better firmware.
You don't know that. If the codec is a self-contained hardware chip, there's no way that firmware could change it.
 
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I imagine that if Panasonic open sourced the operating system we'd see a bunch of mind blowing improvements in short order. As it stands we have to wait and see if someone will either hack the existing OS or if Panasonic will see good on releasing some feature changing updates. The problem is this camera is already sooo capable that making it much better has the potential to kill off a lot of their own market.
 
Dear Durabrand:

I bought one of your $18 toaster ovens at Walmart, however I am very disappointed that it's missing these features:

Digital Timer with Bluetooth Alert
Auto Eject
Splatter Control for chicken legs
Aroma Containment
Burn Control
10" articulated LCD screen
HDMI input
Free loaf of bread

Please put these in your new firmware and notify me when released or I'll never buy your toasters again.
 
They gave us a couple of lousy software updates. None of those had any of the features people have been asking for.
All of those provided more than people had paid for.

I would gladly pay 30-50 for a an update that adds much wanted features.
Panasonic tried that idea (paid-for updates) right at the start, and got their fingers burned. That was the original FZ1. A firmware upgrade was sold by Panasonic which turned an FZ1 into and FZ2 (added significant new features). Of course in no time, the upgrade leaked onto the net and a great many people who hadn't paid for the update got it for free on the backs of the people who had paid for it.

Consequently any such paid for upgrade would have to be a service centre operation, and even then it might leak. I can't picture it happening.
 
Okay, deal -- you get JVC, Sony, and Canon to recall every HDV camera ever made and get them to "fix" it, and I'll work on Panasonic to fix the GH1's codec.
This is apples and oranges. HDV codec in the products of the above companies works to the spec, though I would like to see less macroblocking from Sony. Canon's HDV codec is as good as it gets. GH1's codec, on the other hand, does not use all AVC features, but only a subset of them, which makes the end result looking worse than HDV at times. If HDV looked like this it would have never been accepted by professionals. What is the point of using superior encoding scheme only to get inferior results? Ah, I see, Panasonic has never been a member of HDV club, it has no implementation of MPEG-2 codec. So AVC was the only choice.

You don't know that. If the codec is a self-contained hardware chip, there's no way that firmware could change it.
Yes, I don't know that. It may be a 4-year old chip that was sitting in a warehouse and was repurposed in the GH1 because after all it is a still camera with some video capabilities tacked on. Being an owner of a 2006 Panasonic consumer AVCHD camcorder I know that they could have done better with the GH1.

I doubt Sony will fix its HDV implementation. At 35 Mbit/s their MPEG-2 codec works fine, and for hadicams they now have AVCHD, which looks no worse than Panasonic's. I bet that Canon's variant of XDCAM will look fantastic, judging by how well their HDV codec fares. Aberration? This is a hardware problem :)
 
HDV codec in the products of the above companies works to the spec
So? It's still defective as they fail in many circumstances. Just because the spec is deficient, does that let them off the hook?

GH1's codec, on the other hand, does not use all AVC features, but only a subset of them, which makes the end result looking worse than HDV at times.
So I take it that you're going to take this same campaign against Canon for their h.264 implementation, which uses the exact same subset of tools as the GH1 uses, and also looks as bad or worse than HDV at times, right?

(and yes, I do agree that the GH1 can look worse than HDV at times)

What is the point of using superior encoding scheme only to get inferior results?
Less bandwidth, more recording time per card. Can't think of anything else.

Ah, I see, Panasonic has never been a member of HDV club, it has no implementation of MPEG-2 codec. So AVC was the only choice.
You do realize how ignorant this statement is, right? Because even in the GH1 itself, they offer MJPG. They had choices, obviously. They made the choice they made.

I doubt Sony will fix its HDV implementation.
Of course they won't. But, dude, please have some consistency here -- you know that the HDV implementation in the Z1U is a lot better than that in the FX1, right? Why aren't you actively campaigning for Sony to "fix" their substandard HDV codec for all the FX1/Z1U buyers?

At 35 Mbit/s their MPEG-2 codec works fine[/quote]
But not as fine as a 21-megabit codec, so shouldn't you be demanding a recall from them too? How can they offer an old outdated MPEG-2 codec on a $20,000 2/3" broadcast camera, when Panasonic offers AVC-Intra on a $7,000 camcorder? Isn't that "below spec" somehow? Or does Sony get a free pass on anything and everything, and the only evil in the world is whatever Panasonic does?

Sheesh, it gets so irritating because here we have a thread complaining about how Panasonic doesn't listen, when they're the ONLY company out of the "big 4" that actually has representatives you can talk to! They're the company that has representatives from all over the world here. Where's Sony's representative on the forums? Where's Canon's representative? Where's JVC's? When's the last time any of those companies came on a public forum and solicited requests for what they should build, and then actually did it?

Bah. Whatever.
 
I can think of two cases of recalls in the prosumer-price-class video industry; one was the Sony PD150 which had lousy hissy audio. ... And JVC recalled the original HD100

I'll add another to your list: Panasonic paid to have the original batch of HPX-170's with the absurdly minor "wobble" issue fixed, even though for the vast majority of their customers, it was a non-issue. I had mine fixed in case I decided to sell it, but it was never a problem for me. Yet they used their dime to fix it, just in case.

So clearly Panasonic has taken steps in the past to please dissatisfied customers. But that in no way means they are somehow required to provide NEW features on old products without financial gain. It is important that everyone understand the difference between a company going out of their way to solve a problem and just giving something away...
 
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