Detail Level

And this is a fact? It seems like a waste that they use edge enhanchment when the sensor is "seeing" around 915p. Why didn't they just do the edge enhanchment through the higher resolution image?
 
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Still didn't get the answer to the Andromeda question; isn't the sensors actual resolution a factor in this? That it records at over 900p. If so, why isn't the sensors actual scan working together with the detail settings?

Anyway, I shot my movie at about -3 in detail settings. So, what is the best choice for sharpening my footage in post? I uprez it by using photozoom 2 and some of it's sharpening tools, but should I mainly use photoshop? Avid AVX plug in?
What is the best choice for in post sharpening of my footage?
 
DOF and Detail

DOF and Detail

Barry_Green said:
-7 = no edge enhancement.
-6 = a little tiny bit of enhancement
-5 = a little tiny bit more
etc.
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With the stock lens then, would turning the detail "off" (-7) help to give a shallower depth of field?

In other words, when the detail enhancement is "on" does it cause the camera to digitally focus on areas that would otherwise be out of focus?

Does detail reduce the bokeh? Or does it somehow enhance the bokeh?
 
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johnnyha said:
With the stock lens then, would turning the detail "off" (-7) help to give a shallower depth of field?

In other words, when the detail enhancement is "on" does it cause the camera to digitally focus on areas that would otherwise be out of focus?

Does detail reduce the bokeh? Or does it somehow enhance the bokeh?
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In short, No. The detail/edge enhancement only affects portions of the image that are in focus, it has no effect on something that's out of focus. So, in a way, the opposite would be true -- setting the detail level higher may slightly accentuate the perception of shallower depth of field, because the in-focus portions would look even sharper (through artificial edge enhancement) whereas the out-of-focus portions would be just as out-of-focus as always.
 
Barry_Green said:
In short, No. The detail/edge enhancement only affects portions of the image that are in focus, it has no effect on something that's out of focus. So, in a way, the opposite would be true -- setting the detail level higher may slightly accentuate the perception of shallower depth of field, because the in-focus portions would look even sharper (through artificial edge enhancement) whereas the out-of-focus portions would be just as out-of-focus as always.
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I don't know, that hasn't been my experience. Especially with medium and wide shots, where there is a lot of little details in the background, the out of focus stuff is "on the radar" to be sharpened. This has been my experience with all cameras I have used, not just the DVX. Lowering sharpening always gave a softer look that was at least reminiscent of shallower depth of field. Don't let the in-camera sharpening fight your attempts at shallow depth of field.

Also, DETAIL will sharpen noise, and a noiser image gives the peception of deep focus and more detail, all over the image.

I always got a kick out of people who always use a slight ProMist on their cam to get a "take the edge of the camera sharpening" but never moved their DETAIL setting from the default of 0.

So, my advice to johnnyha would be, do some tests with detail turned down. In post, you can always sharpen it back up. Also, you can use Unsharp Mask to do it, which gives you the fine manual controls to differentiate precisely between background detail and foreground detail, based on Radius, Threshold, etc.
 
I do noisereduction with neatimage, so noice is not an issue from me. I also shoot with a Brevis35 so DOF is not an issue either.
I'm still wondering about the andromeda factor, isn't it a very strange thing that if the sensor is capable of over 900p, the detaillevel is only a posteffect? Wouldn't it be better with the RAW image details going through instead?
Panasonic made a great camera, but I just think that thing is stupid of them.

The footage is too blurry at low detaillevels, so I need to add sharpness in post. Does anyone know some good sharpening AVX for AVID or for photoshop? I need some advance technology and not just "unsharp mask".
 
so is a lil detail a good thing? i have a polarizer and black promist on my lens and it looks great with sun or light but in shadows or low light it, the video can look a lil dull. will a -6 or -5 detail fix that?
 
I'm really confused after listening to my own understandings of DVX100B and comparing it with big-guns like Barry etc.


Let me put it like this: Light --> Lens --> CCD --> Digital RAW Footage --> Applying all File-Settings+WB --> DV Format --> Tape

If my understanding is correct about the footage acquiring process then I would always go with In-Camera. As everything which is set to change the composition of a footage is applied on the RAW/Uncompressed footage rather than compressed footage.

Now, if that's happened then its the biggest advantage to get your composition right in the first-place i.e. In Camera and avoid post processing as much as possible.

Even if there is no-detail what-so-ever and with the most neutralized settings to get just the right exposure; processing in post means we are applying digital artifacts on an already handicapped (4:1:1 color sampled DV) footage.

What I want to say here: "If we know that we have to apply the digital enhancements sooner or later then I suggest sooner is better !"

What do you guys say ?
 
HaroonGhauree said:
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Let me put it like this: Light --> Lens --> CCD --> Digital RAW Footage --> Applying all File-Settings+WB --> DV Format --> Tape.................
What I want to say here: "If we know that we have to apply the digital enhancements sooner or later then I suggest sooner is better !"
What do you guys say ?
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Makes absolute perfect sense to me.
My eyes favor the organic as opposed to the highly processed anyhow.
 
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HaroonGhauree said:
I'm really confused after listening to my own understandings of DVX100B and comparing it with big-guns like Barry etc.


Let me put it like this: Light --> Lens --> CCD --> Digital RAW Footage --> Applying all File-Settings+WB --> DV Format --> Tape

If my understanding is correct about the footage acquiring process then I would always go with In-Camera. As everything which is set to change the composition of a footage is applied on the RAW/Uncompressed footage rather than compressed footage.

Now, if that's happened then its the biggest advantage to get your composition right in the first-place i.e. In Camera and avoid post processing as much as possible.

Even if there is no-detail what-so-ever and with the most neutralized settings to get just the right exposure; processing in post means we are applying digital artifacts on an already handicapped (4:1:1 color sampled DV) footage.

What I want to say here: "If we know that we have to apply the digital enhancements sooner or later then I suggest sooner is better !"

What do you guys say ?
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I don't disagree with you in principle, except that I just haven't been in a lot of situations where I can get the exact look I want in-camera. If I could, then I absolutely would, but for all the manual controls the camera offers, I always have tons of post work.

For instance, if you want to color correct to independently effect shadows, midtones, highlights, with different casts, you can't do that in-camera. If you want to change saturation on selected colors to make them pop/disappear, you can't do that. There will always be unplanned shifts in color temperature, and other things to fix. Along with many other moderate to radical color corrections you might do.

That being said, I've shot shorts with the DETAIL at 0 (default), and due to 4:3 to 16:9 uprezzing, had to add a little sharpening. I've also shot shorts in 16:9 SQUEEZE mode at DETAIL -7 that didn't need any sharpening, because the focus was spot on, and everything was sufficiently sharp.

There's another point, though. Edge enhancement creates a much more complex image due to the localized contrast enhancements everywhere, thus much harder for the DV codec to encode. DETAIL down creates a smoother simpler image that compresses much better, and therefore looks better most of the time. If in doubt, shoot something (anything) with DETAIL at 0, and then check out the individual color channels to really see the all the damage done by sharpening, color subsampling, and compression.
 
Joshua Provost said:
I don't disagree ......
There's another point, though. Edge enhancement creates a much more complex image due to the localized contrast enhancements everywhere, thus much harder for the DV codec to encode. DETAIL down creates a smoother simpler image that compresses much better, and therefore looks better most of the time. If in doubt, shoot something (anything) with DETAIL at 0, and then check out the individual color channels to really see the all the damage done by sharpening, color subsampling, and compression.
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Finding little gems like these is what keeps me coming back. I have come across similar comments from Barry on this subject before but sometimes the same message stated in a different way really helps to turn the lights on.
Thanks for your feedback Joshua.
 
Great threat but one big question hasn´t been answered: how to sharpen in post the best way?
PlugIns? Effects? Workflow?
 
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