I disagree. The merits of The Hobbit script aside, I enjoyed the film, but I did enjoy it a lot more at 24 fps than at 48 fps.
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I disagree. The merits of The Hobbit script aside, I enjoyed the film, but I did enjoy it a lot more at 24 fps than at 48 fps.
And there is nothing wrong with disagreeing or anyone's opinion. For me, I was seeing the clarity possible in the future and was AMAZED at what I have been missing in the past. First time I felt this was seeing Douglas Trubull's HFR motion rides in Vegas in the early 90s. I thought, "This is ASTOUNDING! NEVER seen anything like this before! If this CAN be done, why isn't it everywhere??" Back then cost mostly, but things are turning: resolutions equal or exceeding movies, twice the frame rate without twice the "film weight" and more interest in it as well.
To me, it took about 15 minutes to get used to the look of Hobbit. I also suspect it will take a lot longer than one film viewing to grow into it, but there are no options for that. I'm not a fan of The Hobbit - nothing wrong with it, just not for me. But the presentation was one of the best movies I've ever seen. Even all the fake monster fighting that bores me because it is just CG, at least held my interest because you could actually SEE and follow it rather than see a bunch of blurry action followed by an outcome.
We been stuck in 24p for 100 years due to time, cost, labor, sound, projectors, and religion.... isn't it time to progress?
Ya, but that's sort of like an 8-bit color depth in a 10-bit wrapper. 35mm film can't resolve more than ~ 6.5 MPX, even if it's analog in three colors without the Debayering.
As to 48 FPS, I wish sports casting drifted there sooner rather than later. In the US, most legal streams top out at 720p 24 fps and about 2.2 Mbps bandwidth (that's what NBC Extra streams the EPL matches at). A QHD (1440p) 48p 6 Mbps stream would be such an improvement, any OTA transmission would pale in comparison.
Bruce Foreman
Veteran
If you saw it in 3D, each eye saw 24fps. The cameras ran at 48fps because the separation of left and right images divided the 48 frames each second in half. The 2D projection was actually 24fps but usually appeared a bit brighter than 3D due to the left and right images being blocked in 3D, the brightness was split between left and right eyes.
The cameras ran at 48fps and there were two of them with a beam-splitter to catch the left / right eye perspectives.
The film ran at 48fps per eye, hence the big fuss about high frame rate. Normal 3d films still run at 24fps per eye, otherwise it would look horrendous.
Hah, "even" on a 55" screen. That's still a big screen! Ultimately, while the jump to 4K is noticeable on sets larger than 55", you certainly wouldn't say HD on a 55" is bad by any means. Unlike, say, SD to HD on any set, which is dramatically better.
Fact of the matter is that while 4K is a nice innovation, it simply doesn't represent as noticeable a jump to the human eye that SD to HD did. And looking down the road, will anyone really care about 8K or beyond? Interesting to think that we're quickly approaching the end of the line for appreciable visual clarity on consumer-level sets.
I still think that 4K offers much more to the cinematographer/director/editor than it does for the consumer.
4K TVs are rapidly becoming the default format. I went into one of the big box stores here in Toronto and found that almost half the TVs they were selling were 4K, including a Samsung 40 inch LED set for $600 Canadian. ( about $520 US )
I think we've got a few years to go before consumers switch to a 4K delivery platform, unless they do the same thing with blu-ray players and make the default players 4K.
I think we've got a few years to go before consumers switch to a 4K delivery platform, unless they do the same thing with blu-ray players and make the default players 4K.
M. Gilden
Canon DSLR Moderator
yep. UHD is the new HDNo reason NOT to.... price is the same. things change and progress
Funny that THAT's what you took from the discussion. But hey, you can always say you were into it BEFORE it was mainstream.