D7100 available for preorder

Moire...
I'm not sure if lack of the AA filter due to higher and smaller pixels will equal less moire in movie mode.

While my D600 has more detail and sharpness than my 7D it still has moire.
If there is less moire in the D7100 vs the D600 I have doubts that it will be because Nikon removed the AA filter.

Who here is planning on getting one to test it?!!?
 
I personally wouldn't think that the powers that be at Nikon will be dumb enough to release such a very important camera for them with a worsened situation of the very same problems that have basically hindered 100% of the DSLRS so far. It would be really, really stupid of them. But then again if they do they truly deserve to crash and burn. I am hopeful that as technology and software development rapidly advances they have been able to correct the issues. I can't wait to find out soon.

Stills are beginning to show up:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nikonphotostream/8550399055/
 
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I actually think they may have gotten the formula right this time. I think Nikon may have had some issues with the D800/600 and Moire, but there's a possibility that this time they got the combination just right with the D7100. The D800 36MP Sensor has a Pixel pitch of 4.8u, while the D600 24MP sensor is at 5.9u. The D7100 24MP sensor Pixel Pitch is 3.9u. This may end up being the sweet spot in terms of Moire. They may have calculated that it's less likely that the issue will come up with this sensor and that could be the reason the D5200 has less of an issue in this regard. A Pixel Pitch under 4.0u may be the sweet spot for lower Moire/Aliasing.
 
It is amazing how over time technology problems are resolved by tweaking and adjusting until the proper combinations result in positive results. I am anxious to know already. A few more days and we will know.
 
I'm betting that the D7100 is gonna be Nikon's Best Video DSLR. It has better processing and overall build than the D5200 and despite the fear of the lack of AA filter, I think it's gonna have slightly better video IQ. That AA filter is there for high rez photo. It's not strong enough for lower rez 1080 video anyway. That's why Mosaic makes OLPF's tuned for lower rez video and those same filters would harm the quality of photos which are much higher rez.
 
The moire, is much more the result of the sampling/line skipping of the sensor than the olpf. In low pass filter will have much more impact on image iq for photo than video.

We never know with Nikon. They play a very conservative role in the video dslr market for a company that have no video camera line to protect. They did bring some innovation like uncompressed hdmi output, but they are so behind that it did not create any real shift. A high bitrate 10bit log base internal codec would have made a lot of difference. Some 1080p slowmotion even in burst mode would also have attracted a lot of attention.

Perhaps they did move to the Toshiba sensor because Toshiba was prepared to do less line skipping etc. Compared to Sony sensor who has some vested interest that there is a clear difference between dslr and its line of large sensor camera. Hopefully we will see in the next few days.
 
John Caballero said:
I personally wouldn't think that the powers that be at Nikon will be dumb enough to release such a very important camera for them with a worsened situation of the very same problems that have basically hindered 100% of the DSLRS so far. It would be really, really stupid of them. But then again if they do they truly deserve to crash and burn.
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We've seen this sort of belief since the D90.

If video shooters were bringing in significant sales, Nikon, Canon, & Panasonic's market research would lead them to beef up the features we want. My guess is we're a drop in the bucket, and video is now a must-have me-too DSLR feature for soccer moms and vacations. Not for pro shooters.

Sure, professional work is done with DSLRs - with existing products. If that drives some extra sales, the suits are happy. It's apparently not driving enough sales to expend a lot of R&D money or add features to products in development.

Canon has a "video line to protect", and they've used DSLR tech to create "cinema" cameras, and done a decent job of it. And those cameras cost significantly more than a 7D or D7000. If DSLR filmmakers were driving sales in a significant way, we'd get more features in cheap bodies. You can be certain that Nikon and Canon know exactly what we want - they work with enough journalists, bloggers and filmmakers, handing out preproduction bodies for feedback. Video seems to be an afterthought for DSLR bodies - after all, that's how it started, when someone realized they could capture the live-view feed and add a feature. I don't think they expected it to cause so much excitement - but my guess is that excitement is limited to a very small slice of the market.

Could Nikon develop and release a "cinema" cam based on DSLR tech for under $3k? Certainly. I'd be amazed if it hasn't come up in meetings. Is it worth the money they'd spend on development, prototypes, tooling, testing, re-tooling, re-coding, packaging, distribution and marketing? "Obviously not" seems the apparent answer.

I suppose it's easy to be involved in a forum with thousands of members, and thousands of posts about DSLRs for video over the years, and think we're being ignored by a manufacturer. It's likely the percentage of DVXuser members who use DSLRs for video could be a near-invisible slice on the pie-chart of a given cameras market. There are currently almost 100,000 members of this site - I don't know what percentage use DSLRs. And I don't know how many video-capable DSLR bodies have sold since the introduction of the D90, but I'd guess it's in the millions or tens of millions.

A company doesn't deserve to "crash and burn" for catering to a tiny slice of market share that won't be profitable. And the big guys know where their profits are coming from. You crash and burn when you make mistakes like that.
 
It is not what self proclaimed "experts" in the forums want, it is what a company can develop, manufacture and deliver at the time. Nikon has gone through a very healthy period of development for their video side of DSLRs for a company with no professional video experience. At the moment their cameras are pretty good on the video side and they will definitely get better. By the time they come out wit a cinema centric camera, and you can bet your house they will, it will be very competitive with what is out there. And when it does all the "forum experts" will call it their dream camera made a reality.
 
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John Caballero said:
It is not what self proclaimed "experts" in the forums want, it is what a company can develop, manufacture and deliver at the time. Nikon has gone through a very healthy period of development for their video side of DSLRs for a company with no professional video experience. At the moment their cameras are pretty good on the video side and they will definitely get better. By the time they come out wit a cinema centric camera, and you can bet your house they will, it will be very competitive with what is out there. And when it does all the "forum experts" will call it their dream camera made a reality.] I share This sentiment!
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Could be the first real nikon d7100 footage. Looks very sharp and no aliasing and moire in the camera strap and Man hat. The filming is a bit horrible but it shows some potential. It looks like the d5200 sensor because they are finding some banding in the deep shadows in photos at Dpreview.
 
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Could be the first real nikon d7100 footage. Looks very sharp and no aliasing and moire in the camera strap and Man hat. The filming is a bit horrible but it shows some potential. It looks like the d5200 sensor because they are finding some banding in the deep shadows in photos at Dpreview.
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LOL way to go Nikon, the camera is officially out and still no video examples, it's as if the video market doesn't exist. It's such a shame because I like the Nikon colour palette better than Canon, Sony, or Panasonics, and that includes much more expensive pro cameras, it's much more filmic and Alexa like. Nikon does have a background in film, they used to make film cameras and lenses.

From what I've seen so far it does look like the Toshiba sensor without an OLPF.
 
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LOL way to go Nikon, the camera is officially out and still no video examples, it's as if the video market doesn't exist. It's such a shame because I like the Nikon colour palette better than Canon, Sony, or Panasonics, and that includes much more expensive pro cameras, it's much more filmic and Alexa like. Nikon does have a background in film, they used to make film cameras and lenses.

From what I've seen so far it does look like the Toshiba sensor without an OLPF.
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I have been also amazed by the lack of video for the launch of the D7100. I think they do care a lot about video with the launch videos of the d4, d800 and d600. But the only thing I can guess is that it is an internal marketing decision because it is difficult to show that the upper class cameras are clearly beaten by the more entry and middle class cameras. I guess one of the reason they change from Sony to Toshiba is because of the video capabilities of the sensor. Where Sony was only giving line skipping perhaps to protect its video division, Toshiba was giving full or at least a much bigger sampling of the sensor that would reduce considerably moire and aliasing.

This camera could be a true winner, with perhaps better resolution than the D5200 sensor because of the lack of olpf while still being nearly moire/alias free. Furthermore with a proper uncompressed hdmi output and better body etc. We will have to watch a bit more of the videos as users post them to know for sure.
 
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