combatentropy
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So what will happen when someone puts the URSA Mini's sensor in the JVC's body?
Is that when the singularity's supposed to be?
Is that when the singularity's supposed to be?
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Gary Senda
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URSA mini is not in the same price range of JVC LS300. To the price of the camera you must add: battery plate, batteries, charger, viewfinder, shoulder kit, mattebox, ND filters and expensive memory cards. So the price is about twice, that is not exactly in the same price range. Assuming you have already all the lenses you need. If not, m43 mount is much more compatible than EF mount and gives you more opportunity to use a large range of less expensive old and new glasses
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Steven Abrams
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You don't have to get the viewfinder or shoulder kit. Or a mattebox or ND filters.
I already have many v-mount batteries and charger also so I'm good there. Plus my own EVF and external Monitor, shoulder pad (will attach to the flat under body of URSA Mini fine), Mattebox, and filters. Because all that stuff is not camera specific. I've used them on a few cameras. So if you're looking at this type of camera it would be very odd to not have most if not all of this already.
So all I MUST add personally is the CFAST cards. Which have dropped in price by half already in the last year and are cheaper than most other RAW compatible media like Red mags.
So for me, all I need to get going is $5600 which gets me the camera and 256GB to start with, which for a RAW/Prores camera that can do 120fps HD RAW/Prores internally or 60fps 4K RAW/Prores internally with 15 stops (even if only 14 stops practically) is a steal. Oh and it can switch to Global shutter mode too.
After playing with it at NAB and the first video footage released it's a no brainer for me.
Gary Senda
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You have already what you need but you have bought it so you should add the value of the staff. In any case, my post was referred to people that has not and must buy all the stuff, of course.
You're still assuming that EVERYONE who wants to use an Ursa Mini has to purchase all of the things you listed, which isn't actually true. Not everyone will need the shoulder kit, since a lot of people who will be using Ursa Minis won't be using them shoulder mounted, for example. And if you don't need to use it shoulder mounted, then you may also not need an EVF, though if you plan on using it on a gimbal instead, you'll have to plan on adding a monitor.
You also don't need to get batteries if you're planning on shooting in studio settings; you can be up and running with mains power without additional extras.
Not everyone even who is starting from scratch has exactly the same needs, even if they are starting from scratch.
Gary Senda
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No, simply I've put the URSA mini in the same conditions you are when you buy a LS300. I've made only a mistake, perhaps: the shoulder kit, but it includes the handle, so no sure if I have to include it or not. This simply to demonstrate that they are not in the same price range: they are different products
combatentropy
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I'm on the fence about this. How comfortable will it be, since it's twice the weight of other unshouldered cameras?
| URSA Mini: | 5 |
| V-mount plate: | 0.5 |
| V-mount battery: | 1.5 - 2 |
| Lens: | 0.5 - 1 |
| Total: | 7.5 - 8.5 lb. |
I don't understand this concern. Compared to the most used professional cameras in production, and even a lot of professional ENG cameras, the Ursa Mini is a featherweight. There are actually people who use the Ursa in a shoulder mounted configuration, in fact. Not a lot, but even the Ursa isn't any heavier than a Super16 film camera with a 400-foot roll.
The Mini is a featherweight, especially when compared to most professional cameras with comparable capabilities. It's possible that if anything it will too LIGHT for handheld operation. You might actually end up wanting some pretty heavy batteries just to act as ballast.
Comfort is a relative term and state of mind, that can't be readily answered. I'm operating b cam on a feature. Alexa XT, Arri EVF, 2 (two) TV Logic 5.6" monitors, 2 (two) Anton bauer HC batteries, Teredek transmitter, Arri FIZ, matte box, Leica primes and Arri handles on 19mm rods. Handheld ALL day.
It's comfortable- but b cam has a 1st and 2nd AC, so again, it's all relative.
I prefer heavier cameras to handhold. It's smoother. There were times when I had to reach over and get in an odd position and that does get uncomfortable pretty quickly. The overall balance of the camera is more important than the weight- it should feel neutral on the shoulder- not front heavy or rear heavy- then you can pretty much hold it for hours.
It's comfortable- but b cam has a 1st and 2nd AC, so again, it's all relative.
I prefer heavier cameras to handhold. It's smoother. There were times when I had to reach over and get in an odd position and that does get uncomfortable pretty quickly. The overall balance of the camera is more important than the weight- it should feel neutral on the shoulder- not front heavy or rear heavy- then you can pretty much hold it for hours.
combatentropy
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On the shoulder it would be fine. I was replying to mention of people not getting the viewfinder and not shoulder mount kit, but instead going around with it like a typical camcorder:
I suspect that won't be a problem either, because the base camera is so light. You don't need to add much to make it work, and most serious filmmakers probably won't want use it handheld like that because of how much camera movement it would introduce into the shot. Then again, one of the reasons that I supported the Infinity Arm campaign is that they're making sure that their arm can reliably hold a Red Epic; that would make for a good way to attatch a camera as small and light as an Usra Mini into some oddball places where it's difficult to get a tripod.
combatentropy
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Well, like I said, with a battery and lens it's twice the weight of most cameras used off the shoulder. Is it doable in short bursts? Absolutely! Is it something you can do all day like you would running around with a DVX100? That's what I'm on the fence about, before I spend the $3,000 or so.
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I'm probably the wrong person to ask about that, since I've been backpacking with a 4x5 for years, and I taught martial arts for 10 years. My constraints aren't typical... I handheld a BMCC on a gimbal (total weight around 13 pounds) for six 25+ minute shots in a single day, which is also not recommended.
You'd still get less camera movement with the heavier camera, and you can think of it as part of your fitness program.
combatentropy
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Excellent point! I can cancel my gym membership and use the savings toward this camera.
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Excellent point! I can cancel my gym membership and use the savings toward this camera.
It won't be long before you start complaining that the camera's not heavy enough to be a good workout
JMtheDP
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I had one on the shoulder the other day, the balance is not good but it is so lightweight is more or less doesn't matter. Nothing a really heavy battery couldn't fix.
Not like many people will be loading them up with big heavy lenses. It's a curious camera. I hope to have some own opinions soon. I've met one once before and didn't get on with it, I have since been told I misunderstood the camera so am looking forward to a re-match.
Not like many people will be loading them up with big heavy lenses. It's a curious camera. I hope to have some own opinions soon. I've met one once before and didn't get on with it, I have since been told I misunderstood the camera so am looking forward to a re-match.