C100: Canon XC10 Info & Pre-Order Link Texas Media Systems

brettsherman said:
Disappointing. Looks like my search for the perfect B-cam to go with the C300 continues.
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With the price of the original C100 at 3000$ new...(imagine used) I dont understand why would anyone even look at that XC10 as a B camera for the C300...:-)
 
lyrov said:
With the price of the original C100 at 3000$ new...(imagine used) I dont understand why would anyone even look at that XC10 as a B camera for the C300...:-)
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The C100 won't make a very good B cam for the C300 MKII because the latter is a 4k camera as is the XC10.
So that's why it's not so hard to understand.
It's not a narrative camera in and of itself, but for 4k pickup shots, landscapes etc. to match the color science of the C300 it makes perfect sense.

I'm hoping it's a wildly successful camera so Canon will consider continuing the very neat form factor with a S35mm sensor, and a 2.8 constant zoom.
 
mk i or ii, I think the c100 is going to be the GO TO b-cam over the xc10, even if the A cam is 4k.. There are many other attributes of a camera that hold greater value then simply resolution, especially when that resolution originates from a 1" sensor. I'm sure it will come in handy for some folks, but for the majority of creatives this thing is just another glove box camera.
 
I got to play around with this camera at NAB for a bit. It wasn't particularly exciting but it does seem like a no brainer for Cinema cam operators to have in their kit. Noise at high ISO seemed passable, color was nice, and everything was in focus with minimal DOF even zoomed in, which is sucky for matching filmic looks with the C100/C300, but will be very easy to focus with. It feels more natural for shooters (like me) who are used to large format manual zoom cameras, than a straight up camcorder. The low point was the viewfinder attachment, which is clunky and even the Canon guys had a hard time putting it on and taking it off.

Anyway, using the XC10 on a gimbal makes perfect sense, but more than that, there's lots of times when I want a second or third cam for a shoot (like a wedding), and only have a friendly amateur helper who wants to pitch in, and giving them a Canon DSLR with Magic Lantern or a GH4 is intimidating. For those times, a simple camera with C-log or WDR that anybody can figure out right away will be an easy win.
 
lyrov said:
With the price of the original C100 at 3000$ new...(imagine used) I dont understand why would anyone even look at that XC10 as a B camera for the C300...:-)
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There are a number of reasons. I'm talking one person / two camera situations. I have to fly with all my gear, which means it's hard to get both camera bodies in a bag that goes under the seat with all the lenses, etc. I want to get a pistol grip gimbal stabilizer which only works with small DSLRs. I want something that can do timelapse.

But I may be at that point where I've given up on everything else and use a C100. Our other shooter uses a C100, so I'm going to using it when he doesn't need it and see how it goes. I'll also add that I hate trying to shoot with the C100 because of the viewfinder and LCD.
 
Looks like great highlight rolloff and nice DR as long as you shoot in log. I would like to see some higher ISO tests indoors though. Much like other canon cameras, this one looks to be more than the sum of its spec sheet.
 
Spec sheet obesessors: Now look at the footage.

Every Canon release this happens: Nerds at home announcing the company's death, then product breaks through the industry and adored by every single person who uses it.
 
As much as I hate fixed lens cameras for cinema and personal work, these fixed lens cameras are extremely useful for documentaries and events which is most of the work in my area right now. Count me in! They can't deliver it fast enough. Just wish it had a bigger LCD screen.
 
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I'm not overly impressed with the video I've seen from this thing yet... and the high-ISO stuff is pretty bad (from personal experience at the Canon booth at NAB).

I'm willing to be proven wrong, but I don't even think this thing would find its way onto my aerial platforms. I'd rather use a GH4 or a BM Micro Cinema Camera for that.

This still strikes me as basically a Panasonic FZ1000 with C-Log.
 
64GB will give you about 28 minutes of 305Mb/s footage if I did the calculations right.

A 64GB Lexar CFast 2.0 is about $200.
 
I heard the included 64GB Sandisk Card takes about half an hour of 4K 4:2:2 305mbps footage. This can be increased by setting the codec to 205mbps 4:2:2 4K, or of course going to 1080p 4:2:2 50mbps at which the files are about the same size as the original C300 codec.

Only Cfast cards can record in 4K, SD card can record all HD options (including the broadcast-approved 50mbps 4:2:2 and 60p) and Jpegs.
 
My reference is 1080P Pro Res 422 HQ (so I can remember it). 220 Mbps is ~ 78 GB/hr, making 305 Mbps ~ 110 GB/hr.

One CF 2.0 64 GB card is included upon purchase as a promo.

Lexar 128 GB 2.0 card is ~ $395.
 
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