Canon T2i Owners = Where's the footage, where's the beef?????

BTW, the reason that Canon HDSLRs only record 12 minutes is NOT a technical one. In the EU "camcorders" or cameras that record continuous video are taxed at a higher rate than still cameras. Canon is able to classify their HDSLRs as "still cameras" by limiting the amount of continuous recording.

Although, honestly, I'd rather pay an extra $50-$100 for continuous shooting and let the EU call it a Pony if they want.
 
Fully agree with you on that one. Sad part is, Many if not most buyers don't know about that file limit, they don't do the research beforehand as their primary concern is the photo part of it. I have seen salesmen at camera stores that open the instruction buuk to answer questions, those are the good ones, some of them say to check the pdf manual on the web. If any camera company is going to include a video feature in their DSLR lineup, why cut it short. What happens when besides weddings, you have the camera on a tripod video capturing a dance recital or baby's first steps, or a bar mitzvah ceremony when you can't or not allowed to be in the ceremony room, or when a ufo is expected to land near your house in an hour and you don't want to be the next encounter or next to the camera, or unobtrusively filming nature in the woods , I can go on and on. Sometimes the camera just has to keep on rolling. I can just hear them say " well if you want a video camera just buy one". That's exactly the problem, shut up don't complain attitude ,the video portion is a free add on, accept it as it is. Most don't even know exactly why the limitation on file limit size is there. If nobody complains then no improvements can be expected. If you are going to offer a video mode on your product, don't go half way by cutting it short.
 
Norman99 said:
Chris, I agree with you. To many it is not a problem about that file limit. But any event ( and there are too many of them) videographers like myself, that is an absolute must. The holy grail is to stop using tapes and SD quality for that matter and to travel light. The DSLR is great but it must deliver the goods. Now here is a camera that "almost" fits the bill, but leaves a seemingly insignificant feature omitted. That to me is the Achille's heel. To most others that is nothing. I would buy such a camera even at double the price, I even considered the 5D mk2 and many others. I cannot shoot a ceremony with 2 cameras, not that I can't but I do well over 70 weddings a year and synching, color consistency, timeline correction is not part of my agenda. That file limit is not the SD card characteristic at all, as I have been wrongly told, but a certain import tax thing on a full fledged video camera. Now if Canon realizes the need of all those event videographers, that's fine, Canon will sell more. I belong to a Videographer's group that all agree to what I am saying. If I was doing a movie in a controlled setting, like Hollywood, fine, I can pause between takes and breaks as most takes are less than a few minutes. In a demanding assignment like a wedding, one does not have the luxury of pausing at will.Some speeches do go over 12 minutes. One who says that it is a small thing hasn't done any weddings at all.
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Still Motion are the best in the business at weddings and they use 5D/7D. Enough said on the time limit.
 
Yes Videohog, it is about the BUSINESS, as all who have got suckered in to buy the T1i and now this T2i comes along within a few months. How long will they continue to keep people salivating for the next improved version. Perhaps they will offer a Deluxe model with Cheese pretty soon. And even at that, they still won't offer everything at once. The carrot remember?
 
Norman99 said:
Yes Videohog, it is about the BUSINESS, as all who have got suckered in to buy the T1i and now this T2i comes along within a few months. How long will they continue to keep people salivating for the next improved version. Perhaps they will offer a Deluxe model with Cheese pretty soon. And even at that, they still won't offer everything at once. The carrot remember?
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See, now you just want attention. And I'm once again giving it to you.

Bottom line is Canon photo doesn't owe you a video camera. Let's make that clear. The photography division at Canon doesn't owe you anything. They'll sell just as many still cameras without video as they would with. If there is a difference, it's minimal.

And that's a good thing for us because Canon totally has a blind spot when it comes to how amazing their video features are. If they really knew how awesome the video features really were, THIS. CAMERA. WOULDN'T. EXIST.

This is as good as it gets (for now and the near future)
 
Chris Watson said:
...Canon totally has a blind spot when it comes to how amazing their video features are. If they really knew how awesome the video features really were, THIS. CAMERA. WOULDN'T. EXIST.
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Maybe its not Canon that has the blind spot but us, the filmmakers and enthusiasts who have become accustomed to high prices for these features. Maybe these features really shouldn't cost as much as they have.
 
Correctomundo !! now we're talkin ! Canon does not owe me a video camera. Perhaps the ONLY reason many are buying these AMAZING CAMERAS is the singular FACT that they SHOOT DAMN GOOD VIDEO for the ridiculously LOW PRICE. They are buying it for the VIDEO aspect alone and would not shoot a single photo with it.
 
Oh come on. Anyone serious in HD and the camera isn't going to base a decision on an online clip period. If your serious get one and try it out, or borrow one from a friend or try out the D7 (it's the same sensor and the same processor and by all reports the same camera from a video standpoint. Anyone "serious" would know what 24 frame video looks like and that pans have to be just so or they look like crap.
I don't think Canon is worried about upsetting someone who is so "pro" that they are too cheap to buy a memory card to test out the cheapest of their HD DSLR's to see if it meets his standards of excellence.

Anyway here is a link to folks who shoot mostly weddings and shoot all with Canon's, mostly the D7 and D1Mrk iV.

StillMotion

Norman99 said:
Yeah, I have to go and buy a class 6 card just to get a 5 second sample. Canon, are you listening ??? would anyone that is serious about the HD quality really go out and purchase it based on Vimeo sample clips? I mean can the posted samples do justice to the quality that is to be eventually be input on a 1080P large 42inch+ HD LCD screen. Those are the popular sizes now aren't they ? Those samples are on the internet and probably seen on a 20 inch monitor but the actual clip on Vimeo is 1/3 of that on the screen. How can anyone judhe HD on an equivalent area of around 30 square inches ? If I had a small .mov clip directly from the camera, I would immediately make a HD DVD and feed it on my 42 inch 1080p LCD. Now that's what I wanna see. The proof is in the pudding.
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Congratulations. This is the first worlwide movie ever shot with this camera. You can even post you're doing history now ;-)
 
DigitalBard said:
BTW, the reason that Canon HDSLRs only record 12 minutes is NOT a technical one.
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Yes it is. They discontinue recording when the maximum FAT32 file size of 4GB has been reached.

In the EU "camcorders" or cameras that record continuous video are taxed at a higher rate than still cameras. Canon is able to classify their HDSLRs as "still cameras" by limiting the amount of continuous recording.
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True, and that is a factor, and that is why in standard-def the cameras stop at 29:59 whether the 4GB file limit has been reached or not. But if the tax issue was the only reason, Canon could have chosen to implement file spanning to connect 4GB files together at least until that 29:59 limit was reached.

Furthermore, the Canons warn in their manual that the warmer the cameras get, the worse the video quality degrades. For that reason alone there's likely very little interest on Canon's part to go adding file-stitching algorithms into the 7D's file system.

Besides -- does the Quicktime movie format even allow for stitched files???

Although, honestly, I'd rather pay an extra $50-$100 for continuous shooting and let the EU call it a Pony if they want.
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JVC actually took that approach with their HD100. They offered two versions in the EU, the HD100 and the HD101. They were fundamentally identical hardware; the only difference was (IIRC) that the firewire input was disabled on the HD100 and enabled on the HD101, and they charged more for the HD101. Reason was that with no firewire input, it was classified and taxed under one statute, but with firewire input enabled it was classified in a different higher-taxed category. So JVC was giving the end user the choice of whether they wanted to pay more for the additional feature, which seems a customer-friendly thing to do.
 
And I don't think Canon is so cheap as not to have a short sample clip for download trial either. I have been looking for a small .mov clip for a while now , shot at 1080P 30fps. and it is like an impossible quest. One figures that on the net there are full movies and HD video stuff everywhere on demand and such. Geez, a small 5 second .mov file. Thanks a lot
 
Barry, you fully understand. Finally someone agrees with me. File limit is a tax thing. Quick time files can be in sequence WITHOUT losing a single frame. Even Apple's iMovie does just that all the time.
 
Canon just STOPS or PAUSES after the file limit is reached. At least that's what I have gathered. I wouldn't mind a bit if it would create another file IMMEDIATELY after the previous one reaches it"s limit size without stopping.A series of 4GB files is fine with me as long as I don't have to waste time pushing that record button again and lose continuity. IMMEDIATELY I mean without any gap in frames or time. So if I have a 64 GB card and let it rip, I wish I can get 16 clips of 4GB each with no interruption. I would purchase that camera in a heartbeat.
 
shaocaholica said:
What do you mean? I would have thought that creating end to end video files is not limited to what format or container its in.
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Systems that support file chaining (such as AVCHD and P2's MXF and Sony's MXF format) include the ability to have metadata included that points to the prior file or the next file in the chain. Drag any piece of the file onto your timeline and the system will know to bring in the entire continuous video clip, chaining all the pieces together.

I don't know whether Quicktime even offers that. If it doesn't, then asking for continuous file recording on a Canon is a pipe dream.

They could, of course, just close one file and start a new one, and leave it up to you to figure out whether a file is supposed to be chained together.
 
Norman99 said:
So if I have a 64 GB card and let it rip, I wish I can get 16 clips of 4GB each with no interruption. I would purchase that camera in a heartbeat.
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Again, that's been available for nearly a year -- the GH1 does that. Or any P2 camera, or AVCHD camera. Or XDCAM-EX.

Just not Canon.
 
Barry_Green said:
They could, of course, just close one file and start a new one, and leave it up to you to figure out whether a file is supposed to be chained together.
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Ah, gotcha. There are a lot of system that just use the filename to determine position in a sequence. That seems to work pretty well for most people. Not having metadata pointers isn't a show stopper.
 
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