Canon R5 Announced with 8k

Yeah but then it's no longer FF. It's also not clear to me that it won't overheat because Canon mentions explicitly which modes don't overheat on the R5. And the whole thing is rather troubling because Canon says you can get a 20-minute shot of 8K30p at room temperature. Nofilmschool got 16 minutes of intermittent shooting over an hour in 80 degree weather before overheating with 8k24p ipb.

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Here's a (relatively) quick fix. Release R5/6 in 1D X MKIII bodies. At least, until they can mitigate the overheating problem.
 
I'm surprised you haven't yet mentioned the possibility of Canon doing this on purpose...

No agreement with Sony? :huh:

When's the last time we saw such a quick addressing? (day after announcement)
 
Never.

But, while I think all the iterations of 8K, 4K HQ and the price points are coordinated, the overheating problem is likely Canon's own doing. It could the CPU tuning, it could be the exact body size, it could be the body construction (metal alloys conduct heat, plastic traps it), it could be all of the above.

It also could be a bit of marketing fault. They begin to advertise it as full frame 8K half a year ago. One has to assume that, by then, specs were settled on but the camera itself wasn't. And the, when everything came together, they were 7-10 minutes short of where they thought they'd be.

It happens, especially if most of the preliminary testing was done without the bodies (i.e., bare electronics on a stand). It wouldn't be the first time. Samsung's phones exploded. Boeing 787 Dreamliner batteries caught on fire but, fortunately, without casualties. Canon, obviously, didn't want to repeat those failures and chose to just shut down the camera once it's reaching that threshold.

Side note - back in January, 1990, I attended my first and last CES show. I was selling mid-tier audio and big screens but an ex-co-worker was then working for a high end audio shop in Beverly Hills. So, in Vegas, we ended up dropping by the audiophile exhibition at the old Sahara Hotel. At some point, we wondered into the Audio Research room, who had a bunch of the unconnected tube amps sitting on top of a study table. The tube amps had their own steel handles. I tried to lift the 30 wpc amp off a table by such handles. No luck. The heat sink on that amp was humongous.

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(no external heat sink but close enough)
 
DLD said:
It also could be a bit of marketing fault. They begin to advertise it as full frame 8K half a year ago. One has to assume that, by then, specs were settled on but the camera itself wasn't. And the, when everything came together, they were 7-10 minutes short of where they thought they'd be.
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Very likely.

A lot of people don't know this, but other most recent Canon cameras overheat too (like the M6 Mark II).

These two are/will be just much, much more popular.
 
NorBro said:
Very likely.

A lot of people don't know this, but other most recent Canon cameras overheat too (like the M6 Mark II).

These two are/will be just much, much more popular.
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Right and the xt4 overheats as well but I dont remember the brouhaha. The R5 is a really badass camera and everyone is excited for it and wants it to work flawlessly. So close
 
Maybe the IBIS was indeed too much for the 60p. It already has a 20-minute recording limit and even an additional 1.18x crop over the S35 sensor to deal with it.
 
From Gordon Laings tests the non hq on the R5 looks poor quality, if that's the only mode that isn't guaranteed to overheat this camera is no use to me. Sony looking more interesting now IF the rumours are true, full size hdmi and hopefully no overheating
 
Bassman2003 said:
This is my largest hesitation. It is tough to quantify how long the camera will stay active and able to record. Many will not need to run a constant take but if intermittent recording still results in a shutdown, then that is just too much anxiety for anything other than 8k vacation use. Same thing goes for the 4k 120p. If you go into that mode for a little while are you tanking the rest of your day for normal filming? Once heat gets created, it is tough to get rid of in a passive cooling environment. Deal breaker? I guess it really depends upon if you need the 8k or high quality modes for everything one shoots. I also wonder if the compressed 8k actually creates more heat than the RAW since the compression is going on at a feverish pace.

Abe has it right, consider this camera to be a pixel binner for anything outside of special use cases and then make your purchase decisions.

I look to the R6 and wonder if it is any better in this regard? We will have to see.

BTW, I am getting pretty tired of the attitude shown at the end of this article and so many are saying of "its got 8k in your pocket, quit complaining endlessly" and "get a video camera etc...". Whatever. Trying to see these things at higher levels and see IF they fit into more professional workflows. 8k doesn't mean very much if the camera shuts down during your job. Then the finger pointers can say - "you should have done your research etc..."
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How much 8K do you normally shoot? What are the longest takes of 120p you normally do?
 
ade4all said:
From Gordon Laings tests the non hq on the R5 looks poor quality, if that's the only mode that isn't guaranteed to overheat this camera is no use to me. Sony looking more interesting now IF the rumours are true, full size hdmi and hopefully no overheating
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R5 will move a lot of units - it sits at #1 right now at B&H rankings - but will probably see a lot of returns. A lot of returns. At which point, its "used" prices will come down by a large margin. And, if they're down to $2,500 or so, two for tea and tea for two might bring it back down to a reasonable level.

This assumes no "cooling" hacks along the way.
 
Canon always seem to be number 1 even when they sometimes release crap cameras. Had high hopes for the R5 but for reliable video anyway it is a big disappointment at £4200
 
NorBro said:
Maybe the IBIS was indeed too much for the 60p. It already has a 20-minute recording limit and even an additional 1.18x crop over the S35 sensor to deal with it.
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The 1.18x crop when recording 4K 60p in the XT-3 and XT-4 is due to a sensor readout speed limitation. That sensor can't do a full sensor readout at 60 fps.

This is also why the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 6K which uses a very similar sensor (perhaps with a different color filter array), but has active cooling, can still only do 60fps in a 5.7K crop rather than the full sensor 6K readout.
 
ade4all said:
Canon always seem to be number 1 even when they sometimes release crap cameras. Had high hopes for the R5 but for reliable video anyway it is a big disappointment at £4200
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Yikes, that's almost $5,400 with today's exchange rates.
 
davedv said:
The 1.18x crop when recording 4K 60p in the XT-3 and XT-4 is due to a sensor readout speed limitation. That sensor can't do a full sensor readout at 60 fps.

This is also why the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 6K which uses a very similar sensor (perhaps with a different color filter array), but has active cooling, can still only do 60fps in a 5.7K crop rather than the full sensor 6K readout.
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The actual chip can't do it?

The pocket maxes out at 50p in 6144 x 3456. Then bumps up 10 more frames in less resolution including 5.7K.
 
Yes crazy prices here not sure what Canon UK are playing at when the U S price is closer to £3000.
In comparison Panasonic S1H is £3600 here, $4000 in the US.
 
Liam Hall said:
How much 8K do you normally shoot? What are the longest takes of 120p you normally do?
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None and short but maybe staying in the mode for quite a long period of time. I have been quite happy with the performance of the GH5 because one can forget about it. It is a rock solid tool. I am thinking these two Canon cameras will not be regarded in that camp for video as one would often be looking for the heat warning. This is the only thing that surprises me about this release - Canon always seems to value gear that is dependable. Kind of their reputation in the industry. A bit of a head scratcher.
 
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